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Mods, sorry if I am hijacking this thread, feel free to move.
I disagree that we have evidence that S&V tornadoes are becoming less frequent. I'm not saying that you are wrong. I am saying that I don't feel the tornado data is trustworthy enough. Tornadoes prior to the Fujita scale (1970s) were "back rated" from news and other reports. Toss them out and the trendline flattens. I also heard that in the 1980s a high rating on a tornado required extra forms and a review from above, so raters leaned toward lower ratings. Finally, the EF scale raised the bar for high end tornadoes (e.g., El Reno was an EF3 because no damage indicators above EF3).
That said, the graph does show how quiet recent years have been!
On a slightly different note, I think Southeastern tornadoes were probably underreported from the 1950s-???, so "Tornado Alley" may not be shifting, but it may be that we are counting tornadoes more accurately. Tornado Alley should be retired anyway. It may or may not reflect where tornadoes are most common, and it certainly doesn't reflect where they are most deadly.
(I'll crawl back in my hole now and let this thread return to its usual angst of the State of the Season.)
Clearly, with warmer global temperatures, violent tornadoes are less frequent. See nearby graph.View attachment 21596
The increasing number in the South and Southeast are likely temporary and part of the somewhat cyclical pattern first documented by Ted Fujita. There Is Nothing New About the Hypothesis Tornado Alley Has Moved East
"Is climate change affecting chasing? Absolutely. Is it eliminating chasing? I don't know, and I'm far enough removed from my studies to call myself an expert anymore."
I disagree that we have evidence that S&V tornadoes are becoming less frequent. I'm not saying that you are wrong. I am saying that I don't feel the tornado data is trustworthy enough. Tornadoes prior to the Fujita scale (1970s) were "back rated" from news and other reports. Toss them out and the trendline flattens. I also heard that in the 1980s a high rating on a tornado required extra forms and a review from above, so raters leaned toward lower ratings. Finally, the EF scale raised the bar for high end tornadoes (e.g., El Reno was an EF3 because no damage indicators above EF3).
That said, the graph does show how quiet recent years have been!
On a slightly different note, I think Southeastern tornadoes were probably underreported from the 1950s-???, so "Tornado Alley" may not be shifting, but it may be that we are counting tornadoes more accurately. Tornado Alley should be retired anyway. It may or may not reflect where tornadoes are most common, and it certainly doesn't reflect where they are most deadly.
(I'll crawl back in my hole now and let this thread return to its usual angst of the State of the Season.)