El Nino's Impact on the Coming Chase Season

This is not your normal El Nino. It is West based opposed to some recent El Ninos which have been East Based and if I remember right it is predicted to cool down as 2010 progresses. In general the Southern Jet will be stronger because of this,
 
The talk about El Nino and La Nino .The truth is nobody can predict until the season is upon us if it will be an above average year for severe wx in the southern plains. Past events are not a indicator of future happenings. Long term forecasts are not a reliable tool.

David, it's understood that this discussion is highly speculative. See my previous post in which I addressed your comment before you ever made it.
 
Indeed.
For the last few months, CPC has been promising Southern Aridzona plentiful winter rain. Unfortunately, the clouds don't seem to have received the memo. Several storm systems have come and gone, but most have focused their energy well to the north.
Likewise, most mid-range models consistently overestimate the southern extent of precipitation, and correct their forecast only a day or so before the system's arrival. This has been the case for the last few years, it seems.

In short, El Nino may produce more precipitation for someone, somehwere, but I don't know if we'll see any of it. :(

Greg, it's still December. Most of the previous El Nino's didn't even begin to impact Southern California and Arizona until January. I've been logging (in detail) rain events in Southern California since I was a kid, back during the El Nino of '77-'78 (gawd now I'm dating myself). It wasn't until after Christmas '77 when the first El Nino enhanced systems started arriving. The following 3 months, Jan-March of '78, were epic around Southern California. As I thumb through all my log sheets in front of me right now, the same applied to the subsequent El Ninos of the early 80's, early 90's, and the epic El Nino of '97-'98. I do not remember in any detail how Arizona was affected during each of these events, but I do remember seeing on the news the Salt River through Phoenix flooded several times during some of those El Nino years.

While it is true what David says that past events are not an indicator of future happenings, there is sufficient climate data over a period of time to draw reasonable conclusions for the possibilities "in general".

We still have 3 months ahead of us. ;)
 
Greg, it's still December. Most of the previous El Nino's didn't even begin to impact Southern California and Arizona until January. I've been logging (in detail) rain events in Southern California since I was a kid, back during the El Nino of '77-78 (gawd now I'm dating myself). It wasn't until after Christmas '77 when the first El Nino enhanced systems started arriving. The following 3 months, Jan-March of '78, were epic around Southern California. As I thumb through all my log sheets in front of me right now, the same applied to the subsequent El Ninos of the early 80's, early 90's, and the epic El Nino of '97-'98. I do not remember in any detail how Arizona was affected during each of these events, but I do remember seeing on the news the Salt River through Phoenix flooded several times during some of those El Nino years.

While it is true what David says that past events are not an indicator of future happenings, there is sufficient climate data over a period of time to draw reasonable conclusions for the possibilities "in general".

We still have 3 months ahead of us. ;)

Thanks for offering hope! :)

-Greg
 
I'm going to go ahead and say it...2010 will be a great year for tornadoes in the southern plains! Our weather pattern right now has been pretty active since El Nino kicked in. If this pattern stay together, and I think it will, were in for a great season!

Get your camera gear dusted off now!!!
 
I'm going to go ahead and say it...2010 will be a great year for tornadoes in the southern plains! Our weather pattern right now has been pretty active since El Nino kicked in. If this pattern stay together, and I think it will, were in for a great season!

Get your camera gear dusted off now!!!
I like the optimism Jason. I'm going to go ahead and endorse this plan for the 2010 chase season. :D

Happy New Year all!
 
From living here since 1978, I have seen a lot of weather patterns play out. When we have a wet and snowy winter, you can almost guarantee an above average storm season. Now, that doesn't happen all the time, but it can be a good predictor.
 
It is interesting that much of southeast and south central Kansas have had the wettest three years in history. Missouri has experienced the wettest two years in its history ( http://climate.missouri.edu/ ). New Orleans, its wettest month ever.

Given the amazingly wet Palmer Drought Index ( http://meteorologicalmusings.blogspot.com/2009/12/updated-palmer-drought-index.html ) all the way to the Gulf, it seems likely that early to mid-season dynamic systems will have more moisture than average to work with.

If I had to guess, I'd say 'above normal' storm season.
 
I agree with you Mike. 2 things may make this year an above average season. First, there may be wave after wave of energy moving into the southern plains when spring arrives. Second, with the current wet pattern, evapotranspiration will keep the dryline further west, instead of the dryline hauling east due to very shallow moisture in the PBL.
 
... with the current wet pattern, evapotranspiration will keep the dryline further west, instead of the dryline hauling east due to very shallow moisture in the PBL.

That's what I was initially thinking, too, and it makes a whole lot of sense. Just that other pieces of the El Nino puzzle made me wonder. A cooler-than-average GOM and hyperactive subtropical jet could be a concern. Frankly, though, my gut tells me that you and Mike are right. I sure hope so. I'd like to see 2010 be as good as 2009 was lousy.
 
2003 was an el nino spring and it was very active for the midwest area. Just because the plains wont be in the hot spot doesn't mean the season will be a wash. I agree nothing can be worse than last year. If we look at what el nino has done recently it has spun up some very intense and moist storms systems. 3 total in the month of December.

I would certainly be in favor of one of these monsters spinning up in the spring time. My un-expert opinion would think that with the more intense southern stream we certainly won't have issues with shear profiles, although this means probably allot of rocket storm motions as well.

Its fun to speculate...but I doubt anyone can say with any degree of certainty. If anything it will be another year in which we continue to study the correlation between el nino and the weather patterns.

I made a thread earlier echoing your same sentiments about the likelihood of an active storm season. :cool:

http://stormtrack.org/forum/showthread.php?t=22125
 
Actually 2003 featured several nice events in the southern Plains.

April 15 - several tornadoes in the Texas panhandle and western Oklahoma.

April 19 - strong tornado near Copan, OK

May 1 - weak tornadoes in eastern OK

May 3 - tornadoes in west Texas

May 4 - significant tornado outbreak in eastern Kansas and western Missouri

May 8 - significant tornado outbreak in central OK and eastern Kansas

May 9 - second day in a row with tornadoes in OKC metro area

May 15 - significant tornado outbreak in Texas panhandle


While most of the tornado activity (numbers wise) hit the midwest (MO, IL, TN), the southern Plains saw several significant events from mid April to mid May. 2003 and 2004 is by far the best two successive tornado seasons for storm chasers.
 
2003 was one of the more memorable years I had chasing in Kentucky. We had a very active weather pattern and some very impressive storms (if you like structure) from May through July. Even nailed several funnels and two tornadoes in May, one less than 15 miles from home. I'd love to see a repeat.

edit: my avatar photo is from a July 23, '03 storm that I sat on all afternoon.
 
Its not a good indicator on the rest of the year, but there've already been over a dozen confirmed tornadoes this year including a few strong ones, so, so far so good. I'm still looking at a western plains storm season this year. Thats just fine with me. Stay away from the population centers, hills, and trees :)
 
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