Long range model speculation

Looks like a big ridge of high pressure will be building into the nations midsection for the next 7-10 days after this system clears out. Lots of beautiful warm weather, but severe weather looks rare til at least the latter part of April.

I'm actually seeing some svr potential on Sunday across parts of cntrl KS. The WRF has a very subtle shortwave moving through above ~60 dps. Probably going to have some serious outflow problems if anything fires though, the 500's are going to be maxed out around 35kts and LCL's will be +1000m. It's like we went from Winter to Spring to Summer all in the course of two weeks.

Definitely not looking like the best setup but after seeing at least one supercell four days in a row this week, I've got the fever.
 
Hey just looked at 12z NAM and GFS, I wouldnt mind the NAM verifying for Sunday night, in NC OK. High instability, it is showing the cap eroding, the gfs hints at it too. High shear. I think the lift is coming from a low in the tx panhandle, with values of -8 up into Oklahoma. I thought there was a void for the next week? What am I not seeing? The DPs I hope would hit about 60.
 
I'm sure others could explain it better than I, but it has to do with the persistent ridging in the GoM. On Sunday take a look at this graphic for the lower level winds at 925 mb for 0Z:

http://bit.ly/a22d1B

The winds in the GoM are not out of the right direction for a good deep fetch of moisture. Two days later when the cyclone ejects out on to the plains and deepens (when you'd expect severe weather to occur) check out this image of the winds at 925 mb for 0Z on Wednesday:

http://bit.ly/94wS37

You can clearly see the circulation dead in the middle of the GoM and the wind fields and direction are all of whack. If anyone cares to further clarify the situation feel free to jump in at any time.
 
Mark,

There's an upper-level trough east of the location of weak phasing between the two jet streams off the California coast that tries to move eastward across the southern U.S. (north of the subtropical jet) -- see this graphic (250mb winds), and step through the time slowly. You can see it easily at 500mb too (though be aware of the convective feedback vorticity bomb at 54-78 hours that starts in southern TX and moves into the western GoM). At any rate, this upper-level trough undercuts the ridge and gets "stuck", for all intents and purposes, in the southeastern U.S./northern GoM. The subtropical jet amplifies a bit as large-scale (but relatively low-amplitude) troughing develops in the Gulf of Mexico, and an upper-level ridge amplies across much of the central U.S. downstream of a negatively-tilted shortwave trough that moves northeastward out of the western U.S. trough. These two features (building ridge associated with the polar jet in the central U.S. and a slightly deepening trough associated with the subtropical jet in the GoM) leave the cut-off low to meander somewhere in the northern GoM. Unfortunately, this is a "high over low" block (see here for 500mb winds and heights valid next Weds morning), and it's certainly not what we want to see this time of year in that part of the country. Though I've linked to the GFS forecast, the recent runs of the ECMWF support the forecast of a cut-off mid-level low slowly retrograding westward next week across the northern/central GoM, with surface ridging extending well into the southern US and northern GoM (see HERE for 850mb temps and MSLP valid for late next week).

In the low-levels, ridging in the southern US and the northern GoM results in persistent easterly flow across most of the GoM, which keeps the high-moisture air a considerable ways from the Plains. Of course, some modification of the advecting cP air is likely, but the mT air doesn't look like it'll pay us a visit anytime soon. The GFS forecasts the sub-tropical jet to remain rather strong though also rather far south (at least south of Texas), and it has an upper-level trough (associated with the subtrop jet) remaining in the southern GoM and northern Caribbean through Day 10.

I don't think there's too many people in this thread saying that the year is hopeless or will be disappointing entirely. It's a fact that, year-to-date, the tornado count is near a record low (dating back to 1954), and the progs for the next 7-10 days do not bring much reason for optimism. This is NOT to say that there won't be a few relatively low-end chase ops in the next week somewhere across the Plains (more likely in the western high Plains, IMO), but the prospects for a moderate or high-end event appear very unlikely through at least next week. Of course, this means very little for the week after, and nothing for May or June (I'll leave the >7-10 day prognosticating to those who are better with global circulation forecasting), and I (and many of us, actually) have had some extremely good chases on "marginal" days.

NOTE: Links are time-sensitive (at least the CoD ones are, the TwisterData ones might continue to take you to today's 12z GFS).
 
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Watching some things in the extended range that does spark my interest. Several models over the last few days have been trending toward a west based -NAO. The EPO signal is also wavering in the neutral category for the latter half of April which could yield a more active storm track across the southern sections of the US. Ridging in the west and the rex block across W Canada and the Pacific regions would bring cooler than normal air into the US along with a more split flow like pattern.

Given the increase that we have had in the Gulf in terms of low level moisture....this could bring a higher probability of severe weather across the Southern Plains/Lower Mississippi Valley/Southeast in the extended term for the end of the month into early May. Anything to knock this killer heat ridge across the SE out of the way is fine by me.
 
Looking at the short term: I'm not confident enough in the forecast to start a thread just yet, but I'm considering the possiblity of going chasing on Tuesday, somewhere west of Amarillo, possibly along the New Mexico border. Both the NAM and GFS show a narrow corrider of weak instability (if you can even call it that) below an area of weak ascent associated with the shortwave passage that day. Dewpoints are not exactly inspiring, but I'm hoping that they are slightly better than advertised, and the models will pick up on a little better instability as the day gets closer. Surface to 500 mb bulk shear in the range of 40 knots would support sups if the day can realize a little more CAPE, especially with the higher terrain. Anyway, it's something to keep an eye on.
 
Is anyone getting excited about the system coming our way for late next week say around Thursday? Looks like a nice 996 mb surface low setting up in eastern Colorado with some nice moisture and dewpoints to work with well into Kansas (finally).

I like the looks of things on today's satellite images out in the Pacific west of California and up further north off the coast of British Columbia. I hope it turns out to be what we've all been waiting for.
 
Is anyone getting excited about the system coming our way for late next week say around Thursday? Looks like a nice 996 mb surface low setting up in eastern Colorado with some nice moisture and dewpoints to work with well into Kansas (finally).

I like the looks of things on today's satellite images out in the Pacific west of California and up further north off the coast of British Columbia. I hope it turns out to be what we've all been waiting for.

I know many chasers are beginning to get excited about Thursday and Friday. I don't think it has carried over here though with how the models have been lately. The GFS has been consistent the last several runs in bringing in a nice trough towards the end of the work week next week. The GFS and ECMWF pretty much agree on trough placement which is good. The ECMWF actually has a 991mb surface low in eastern CO on Thursday. In addition, it appears to have the system stalling with a 987mb low in southeast CO on Friday!! I doubt we can get that lucky, but at least there appears to be some decent chasing these two days.
 
I guess 5 days isn't really long range to an extent, but I don't want to start a forecast thread to jinx it. Next Thursday and Friday are beginning to look very nice. The 00z GFS slows the system down for Friday and actually has an eastern OK into SE KS chase which is better than central Arkansas. Hopefully it will continue to slow down and we can have two days of the I35 corridor to western OK chasing. The 00z GFS has CAPE up over 2,000 J/kg in SW OK/NW TX area with really nice wind shear and a nice surface to 500mb crossover as well as 850mb to 500mb crossover giving nice directional shear. It does appear that at least Thursday looks good with Friday being a bonus. The ECMWF pretty much agrees so that is encouraging.

Actually the ECMWF has Thursday about the same as the GFS. However, the ECMWF has Friday much slower than the GFS like I mentioned about. 987mb surface low in southeast CO for Friday?? Wow wouldn't that be insane! I am sure things will change somewhat, but fairly confident in severe weather both days in the southern plains.
 
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GFS Throwing up some pretty amazing charts for the Middle of Next Week onwards atm. Have watched the 00z / 06z / 12z and they are remarkedly similar with ample moisture returning and Troughs coming in from the West. Cape Values look on the extreme side and would expect GFS To scale that back quite a bit as we get into lower resolution.

Anyone else got any thoughts on the period 29th April into 3rd May ?

Paul S
 
And again the 12z GFS keeps a great looking setup Wed/Thur of next week. Certainly will be all over this if it comes to fruition... (since I can't go this week, dangit)
 
I believe timing is going to be an issue with this one. It's hard to tell if that trough wants to speed up once it hits the coast or slow down. But there should be some good weather to come from it. It seems pretty consistent and has been showing up on the models for awhile now.
 
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