Why moderator intervention?

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It really burns me when the Stormtrack forum locks a thread because it deals with real issues. If the moderators have a problem with a few vulgar posts, delete the vulgar post and keep the important discussion/issue alive. I’m not sure under what circumstance the decision is made (whether it is one or all moderators) to lock a discussion, but when numerous chasers are being affected by a Stormtrack member who is stealing images I’d say that’s quite a topic to be discussed. Guess what mods, issues at hand need to be discussed and don’t always stay in this nice, protected box. It’s pathetic that Stormtrack locks and defends potential controversial discussions when wrong-doing is brought forth in an attempt to what… protect us from being personal? Issues such as these will be personal because those affected have been hit on a personal basis. To this significance, it is not a topic that can privately be discussed when so many on this forum have been affected. Sorry but a very poor decision.

And a note to Billy Griffin… you are a thief, a liar, a fraud, and embarrassment to chase community.

Scott Blair
http://www.targetarea.net
 
agreed

In this case, I have to apply with Mr. Blair. I realize that Stormtrack is run privately, however, it is my feeling that the correct way of handling this would have been to delete the post, warn the poster, give a general warning to avoid slander in the thread, and let the conversation continue. Locking the thread of a case this important is poor moderator judgement. This is just my opinion.
 
Scott,
I agree...I believe this is a topic that needs to be open throughout Stormtrack. I agree it would be a smart idea to delete the vulgar posts, but keep the important ones. Too many are affected with this childish and ILLEGAL act. Especially after reading Billy's post about how these are truly "his" pictures, when we all know they are not and some of the tornado pics dont even match the true date or place, members really need to let him know what they think. The evidence is there..

...id hate to be in his shoes next chase....
 
Originally posted by Mike Mezeul II
Scott,
I agree...I believe this is a topic that needs to be open throughout Stormtrack. I agree it would be a smart idea to delete the vulgar posts, but keep the important ones. Too many are affected with this childish and ILLEGAL act. Especially after reading Billy's post about how these are truly \"his\" pictures, when we all know they are not and some of the tornado pics dont even match the true date or place, members really need to let him know what they think. The evidence is there..

...id hate to be in his shoes next chase....

Especially now that we all recognize his vehicle.... This was a very blantant violation of rules of ST and even laws...
 
I'm in total agreement with Scott, I think for the topic to be locked was in poor taste and to try and make StormTrack appear to be this perfect realm where all is ok. It's not perfect, many members of this forum have became victims of Billy, this needs to be addressed and Billy should be allowed to provide an explanation.

Delete vulgar posts, but dont' delete a thread regarding an actual issue just because you don't like it.
 
While I am not defending Mr. Griffin, I do agree with locking the thread. About the only thing that needs to be done now is that the affected parties to take legal action (if they choose to do so). The evidence has been posted overwhelmingly and it's pretty much a no-brainer at this point on who's in the right.

Also, the posting of phone #s/personal info is uncalled for.
 
i do believe that posting his personal info was a uncalled for, but delete those posts and let us discuss this in a professional manner.
 
Kyle, must respond to your last post here....

What I published was taken directly from a link (which I provided). The link information is quite clearly a site maintained by the listed musicians themselves so that they may be contacted. Thus I can't accept that you should be directing your concerns at me.
 
A quick note to all: if you feel you must take legal action, so be it. I don't think this forum is the place for that. I think it's a shame for you guys posting my personal information. My wife and children thank you for that.

I HAVE CONTACTED THE NORMAN AND OU POLICE DEPT. AND I'VE ALSO CONSULTED WITH MY ATTORNEYS ON THE WEBPAGE MESSAGES, THREATS, EMAILS SENT, ETC. AND YOUR IP ADDRESSES HAVE ALL BEEN LOGGED.

This should be a closed topic and attorneys should carry this out.

I have the images in question on my hard disk from my digital camera and I had 4 other chase partners who all were there and observed me download the photos off my camera last night.

I would appreciate it, though, if you all would please stop making personal attacks and physical violence threats against me, my family, and my personal property. In addition, would you please stop posting my professional and personal information / contact information on this thread?

I will provide contact information for the law firm representing me shortly via reply to U.S. postal mail only.
 
Originally posted by Billy Griffin


I HAVE CONTACTED THE NORMAN AND OU POLICE DEPT. AND I'VE ALSO CONSULTED WITH MY ATTORNEYS ON THE WEBPAGE MESSAGES, THREATS, EMAILS SENT, ETC. AND YOUR IP ADDRESSES HAVE ALL BEEN LOGGED.


Deja Vu...Thank jebus for Dynamic IP address...Muhaahhahahaha
 
I do not beleive anyone has posted physical threats... though i didnt really pay attention...

If you didnt want your contact information posted you shouldnt have stolen so many peoples works and then posted them as your own... as for your chase partners who saw you... did they happen to be nick grillo, dave drummond or any of the others?

This is just a shame...
 
I think it should be noted that the personal information that was posted is completely available at ANY TIME, by ANY ONE in the world with an internet connection by simply doing a whois lookup on your site. If you were that worried about it being seen, you should have used some more secure info to register the domain name.

Not siding one way or another of whether or not it should have been copied here, just pointing out that it is freely available that way to everyone worldwide.
 
Digital cameras show up as USB storage devices, so it is not that hard to dump images back to them. Also, if the photos were taken with a digital camera, there would be no grain in them.

Just an observation...

As it was another moderator that locked the thread, I defer to his judgement.
 
I listed a couple things too, all on the internet and open to public viewing

-Domain name was a WHOIS,
-People Search for University of Oklahoma
http://search.ou.edu/
-Profile on ST, is listed at the bottom.

Bottom line is all the information is out there on the internet
for anybody to view and search for.

Mike
 
I'm fully aware my personal information is available, and I'm not concerned about that. But making personal threats, threatening physical violence and destruction of property via private messages or direct emails is uncalled for guys.

All I'll say is just contact your attorneys. Again, the proof is all still on hard disk and on the ORIGINAL SD card in the camera.

As far as grain, it depends upon using digital zoom. I won't get into a discussion on this. I was totally unaware of this posting until about an hour ago. If you guys had issues, I wish someone would have called.

All I can do now is leave it up to my legal folks who also manage the music production.

It just seems crazy on how you guys jump all over me, yet there were hundreds of chasers around and reading through the storm reports, a lot of photos look the same.

If you're still mad at me over the stupid forecast thread I replied to a week ago, this is a bad way of retaliation I'd say.

Again, just have your attorneys manage it. But making violence threats against my family and myself is truly uncalled for.
 
Billy,

I actually have no dog directly in this fight, but several of my close friends have had their hard work violated by your actions. PLEASE, be a man and admit what is already obvious to 99.9% of the members here. The last thing you want to do it is take on all the people you have stolen from; RAW images and even JPEG's carry information about when they were taken and the camera they were taken with, and I'm sure all these people still have their original images. You'd get laughed right out of the courtroom and you'd be sunk by any countersuits filed against you. Several of the people you stole from keep very good attornies on retainer who deal very specifically with copyright issues; this is not a battle you want to fight, especially since you've commited a potentially criminal act.

Have some dignity and do the right thing. At least you might garner an ounce of respect for being man enough to do that, though I'm sure most, if not all of us will never trust you again.

Regards,

Mike
 
Originally posted by Billy Griffin
. But making personal threats, threatening physical violence and destruction of property via private messages or direct emails is uncalled for guys.

Again, just have your attorneys manage it. But making violence threats against my family and myself is truly uncalled for.

NO ONE HAS THREATENED VIOLENCE!!
 
I would still like an explaination of the two images I posted in that thread before it was closed comparing them to the ones you claim are your's Billy. Everyone and their brother can see that they are ABSOLUTELY identical dude.

That aside, the one of the wedge I know for an absolute fact that the only person that was ANYWHERE near me I think it was Scott Blair.
 
What gets me is the Paris, TX tornado picture that Darin Brunin took. If Billy is really claiming its his, than where was he on that storm, because it looks as if according to his chase logs, that he was chasing in Oklahoma. Interesting how he can chase both storms at the same time. I was standing right next to Darin as he took that picture and Billy's explorer was no where in sight. I have video to prove it.
 
I don't know how you can continue arguing this considering several of the photos on your page are from COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DAYS and in DIFFERENT STATES then where they actually occurred!!!!! You're so full of it, man! This is absolutely ridiculous! I can't believe you're still allowed to post! There is absolutely no way you can maintain those pictures are yours!
 
I vowed to stay out of it but it is absolutely obvious that the photos in question are identical in every way other than the varying overall dimensions, ie, the crop job. You have ripped off quite a few friends of mine and I hope justice is served in this case of blatant copyright violation.
 
Billy, just one question. The first 2 pics posted under March 21st. You list these as taken in Seminole OK. The first one was taken in Paris, TX on that same day. The second one is from MO (3/24 I believe). How can you claim you took these and they were taken in OK?

Just asking a calm question and giving you an opportunity to explain.
 
Here is my video of the tornado on March 21st. Billy that was no still image that was taken. It was a video capture from this clip that you can check out. Heck I wouldn't put it past you to try and steal this but I think MY FOOTAGE WITH YOU NOWHERE IN SIGHT will tell the whole story of my picture and you know that you weren't there so fess up because it's going to save you a lot of time and money in the long run.

http://www.kschaser.com/March21.mpg

A big thanks to Joey Ketchum for hosting this video.
 
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