After witnessing the continued decrease of involvement in the SpotterNetwork staff in serving SN members with troubleshooting issues recently, I have unilaterally decided to terminate the relationship between SpotterNetwork's support and Stormtrack. I have witnessed multiple users unable to receive support weeks after initiating help threads on the forum. I find this lack of response from SpotterNetwork officials disappointing and a failure to hold up their end of the agreement that was made years ago, before I took over management of this site. In my opinion, having Stormtrack users sit and wait for so long to receive help on SpotterNetwork issues on the Stormtrack forums reflects poorly not only on SpotterNetwork, but on Stormtrack and (by association) me as well. Since the issue has not been satisfactorily addressed, I no longer wish for the Stormtrack forum to be associated with SpotterNetwork.
I apologize to those who continue to have issues with the service and continue to see their issues left unaddressed. Please understand that the connection between ST and SN was put in place long before I had any say over it. But now that I am the "captain of this ship," it is within my right (nay, duty) to make adjustments as I see necessary. Ending this relationship is such an adjustment.
For those who continue to need help, I recommend navigating a web browswer to SpotterNetwork's About page, and seeking the individuals listed on that page for all further inquiries about SpotterNetwork.
From this moment forward, the SpotterNetwork sub-forum has been hidden/deleted and there will be no assurance that any SpotterNetwork issues brought up in any of Stormtrack's other sub-forums will be addressed. Do not rely on Stormtrack for help with SpotterNetwork issues.
Sincerely, Jeff D.
I'm mistrustful of any journalism that references the ASCE
I'm mistrustful of any journalism that references the ASCE ever since their publication that strongly suggested the Joplin tornado was no stronger than EF3 simply because the majority of destroyed houses could have failed in winds less than 165 MPH.
Phil, welcome to Stormtrack! I would like to address a couple of points though. I see you are in South Carolina, and yes, hurricane straps are required in coastal states, and on the plains as well. However, to my knowledge they are still not required in states like Kentucky and Tennessee, and definitely were not required when I was working construction in those two states at various points from 2006 to 2011.
With that said, I think you know even better than I do that all the hurricane straps and toe nails in the world mean nothing if the foundation is not adequate. And frankly, there is no scenario where CMU foundations are adequate against even an EF4. While I was not present in the areas of Kentucky that were impacted on 12/10, I worked in the industry long enough in that part of the country to know that CMU foundations make up the vast majority. Even of the poured concrete foundations, many are not of an adequate thickness, or reinforced with rebar. Of the pictures that I saw from the area, there was a good deal of work that I would have been embarrassed had it been my own. Others I saw revealed where corners were simply cut. And considering the people who participated in the survey process, who have an even better eye than I do because it's what they do for a living, I am content to trust their judgement, as they would have noticed the same things.
I don't think the system is "broken," as some are asserting, but I do think that the large amount of subjectivity under the previous scale is playing an immense role in the current perception. Could it have possibly been over 200mph? Sure. But even from pictures, the number of significant build issues was sobering to say the least.
They certainly could build a home to withstand an EF-5:
Having watched a number of YouTube videos from this outbreak...it surprized me seeing all those houses with cinderblock foundations(didn't even look like any were re-inforced cinderblock walls). Though I also have no idea how old those demolished homes were?
Out here in CO, foundations on homes are all done with poured reinforced concrete and have been for a long time. And at least from the mid 80's on (can't say on older homes), anchor bolts set in the concrete. I pretty much just assumed that was standard practice everywhere!
Um ok.rdale said:That's not what is being discussed here - this is more for the EF2/3 type events.
Rather than quoting your whole post (since its above), I kept just one line since its the main part I'm replying too..Phil R said:In the metro area I now work in there are 7 different building code administrative areas,
I appreciate your insight and experience, but the damage assessment is also broken as well. What would you think a tornado would be rated at if it wiped clean two or three adjacent old and poorly built homes while along that part of the track it also scoured out the ground to say a depth of over a foot? We clearly know such 'trenching' doesn't happen with an EF-2 or at best EF-3 which the home destruction would rate. But since we don't have any exact standards for ground scouring it will be noted but ignored, thus leaving an erroneous conclusion instead of one with the accuracy sought after. Exclusionary assessments will necessarily under-rate every situation.