Storm Chasing Vehicle Project and Suggestions!

[Steve Miller]

The fact that StormCruzzer is here in the first place says he is seeking information that will benefit him moving forward; and with one really nice ride to boot. Some of the comments here have been embarrassing to me and do not reflect on the ST community as a whole. Challenges are common and welcome but attacks do little but fill 5 pages of thread with less than productive, time-wasting banter. We can do better than this.

 

[Jason Boggs]

True......What my main point to this is that it's ok to be criticized. Take it with a smile and learn form the criticism. I agree that we can do better. It's never ok when name calling and belittling begins from either side. Give criticism with respect, and take it with respect.

 

[Travis Cruz]

Your main point is missing the point.. I wasn't greeted with criticism. I was greeted with belittlement. Both Skip and Jon voiced their concerns respectfully, which I responded to respectfully. Marcus didn't. That's the main point

 

[Jason Boggs]

Your main point is missing the point.. I wasn't greeted with criticism. I was greeted with belittlement. Both Skip and Jon voiced their concerns respectfully, which I responded to respectfully. Marcus didn't. That's the main point

Then get with Marcus and get it taken care of. If not, then just carry on.

 

[Mark Blue]

All of this unproductive banter needs to stop. This entire thread and others like it are an unnecessary thorn in the side of ST and are an embarrassment to put it mildly. For anyone who thinks they can post with impunity I'd recommend you take a time out and think better of it.

 

[Shane Adams]

All of this unproductive banter needs to stop. This entire thread and others like it are an unnecessary thorn in the side of ST and are an embarrassment to put it mildly.

It's human behavior. It's disagreement. It's working things out.

For anyone who thinks they can post with impunity I'd recommend you take a time out and think better of it.

For any member of the current admin team who thinks this micro-management style of moderation will fly going forward, I'd suggest you take a time out and think about it. As already stated in the ST forum thread, one of the huge turnoffs was the nazi moderation. We're adults, and we can disagree. We can work through the not-so-tactful exchanges and come out the other side the better for it. Again.....it's human nature. To purposely stifle that is, IMO, one of the key cogs that set the ST machine on a downward spiral.

Save the threats and suspensions and bans for serious offenses, such as personal attacks (not back-and-forth jabs between members in a conversation/debate), attempting to hack the site, legal proof of criminal activity, etc etc. Let the members talk, let them fight, and let them work it out. No way I'm sticking around after all this time, all this waiting, for more of the same (over moderation).

 

[Mark Blue]

You've managed to stay out of it all day Shane, but I guess you can't resist. If you guys can't understand that there is also an onus on the veterans to be respectful of others as one would commonly expect, then it's your way of doing things that won't fly going forward. I'm in a position to backup what I'm saying, you on the other hand are expected to abide by the rules. Last time I checked they haven't changed.

 

[Jason_Dasho]

Reading through this thread is really is a summary of all the complaints I have read in the change of leadership thread.

First off I would like to point out and thank you Mark, Skip, Steve (SMOK) and Dan for posting in a manner that they did in attempt to guide this discussion in a respectful manner.

Marcus, I want to commend you in your leadership in development in the podcast on Sunday. Amazing how it has improved since the first beta. I think it is a much needed adjunct in developing the education of new chasers and enriching those that have been around the block as the show continues to develop over time. Being in this role however, turns you into a role model. Others will look up to you. This is a great opportunity to help develop attitudes and behaviors in chasers.

Stormcruzzer, you made a statement about not even knowing you. You are absolutely correct, and introductions best start with a name. This is part of the reason I hope new leadership brings back the name rule. I have never met anyone one on this forum in person (except one Warren Faidley (my chasing hero growing up)) - but hope i get know more of you over time) I have been reading these threads for several years before joining and have recently decided i need to start participating more. That said I really dont think this thread represent the type of person Marcus is based upon his many posts. We all get fired up over things where our responses don't necessary represent our normal demeanor. So I ask you to forgive and suck in the wealth of knowledge available here at Stormtrack. Majority of time you will find the answers without posting and just searching the archives.

 

[Jason Boggs]

Great post Jason. That sums up a lot of the things I agree with.

 

[Jason_Dasho]

Thank you Jason. That always sounds weird to me lol


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[Travis Cruz]

I have edited my original post to hopefully make everything a little more clear. I've already forgiven and forgotten, so I hope you all can do the same. In no way has any of this deterred me at all from becoming a member of these forums, or lessened my passion for chasing and weather in general. And I don't see that ever changing in the future.

 

[Jason Boggs]

That's very respectable Stormcruzzer.

 

[Jason Boggs]

I agree with you Shane. It will always work itself out. We are adults here, and we will often have conflicting opinions when discussing certain topics, but that's human nature.

 

[Jon Strebler]

I hope that my post in this thread wasn't taken as any sort of insult or anything of that nature because that wasn't my intention. I just wanted to point out a few concerns I had with some of the things that he said in his original post and I'm pretty sure he understood what I was saying. I don't want to scare anyone away from chasing, but I do want to stress safety. Some parts of chasing can only come with experience, but some of the etiquette type things can be understood just from conversation. Cruzzer caught on to that rather quickly so we don't need to flame him over a few things he said, but we should point out our concerns. I can remember one of my first times out chasing and someone driving by stopped and screamed at me to close my door and since then I've always been much more aware of how to respect other people who are also out on the roads. When Cruzzer talked about going down bumpy, muddy roads at 70mph it just reminded me of my experience and I think new chasers have to be reminded that they share the roads with a lot of other people. I know that Dan started a list about hot button topics, and I also think we should come up with some chaser etiquette/road safety tips for people to read when they join. There's a bunch of simple ideas that people will grasp very quickly and it will prevent issues such as flame wars later down the road. It would benefit all of us in the end.

 

[Travis Cruz]

I hope that my post in this thread wasn't taken as any sort of insult or anything of that nature because that wasn't my intention. I just wanted to point out a few concerns I had with some of the things that he said in his original post and I'm pretty sure he understood what I was saying. I don't want to scare anyone away from chasing, but I do want to stress safety. Some parts of chasing can only come with experience, but some of the etiquette type things can be understood just from conversation. Cruzzer caught on to that rather quickly so we don't need to flame him over a few things he said, but we should point out our concerns. I can remember one of my first times out chasing and someone driving by stopped and screamed at me to close my door and since then I've always been much more aware of how to respect other people who are also out on the roads. When Cruzzer talked about going down bumpy, muddy roads at 70mph it just reminded me of my experience and I think new chasers have to be reminded that they share the roads with a lot of other people. I know that Dan started a list about hot button topics, and I also think we should come up with some chaser etiquette/road safety tips for people to read when they join. There's a bunch of simple ideas that people will grasp very quickly and it will prevent issues such as flame wars later down the road. It would benefit all of us in the end.

I took no offence at all to what you said, I actually respected the way you came across. I replied to your post, on the second page, if you want to read over that.