The Cardioid: the basis for all tornado outbreaks???

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I would like to revisit the Super outbreak of '74 to explain why I believe that the cardioid series/sequencing satisfies why those storms occurred where and when they did. I am speaking about a particular squall line from that date, the one responsible for the Cherry Log tornado, the second occurring tornado on that day, I believe. In my view, the cardioid series/sequencing may explain how those particular storms unraveled and occurred when and where they did and I am going to refer to the Hoxit and Chappell report for that event. Hoxit and Chappell provided the mesometeorology for that outbreak and these described that squall line said by researcher Erickson as a semicircular or ampitheater-shaped formation. By using the cardioid series/sequencing process may confirm Erickson's reasoning on the matter. Remember that a semicircle can be bisected or divided in half revealing that both halves add up to the area of the original semicircle, simple. Now, taking the respective families from that squall line, as these occurred, may explain why these occurred as they did. Starting with the Cherry Log, First Cleveland, First Etowah, then second Etowah, Second Cleveland, Ball Park tornadoes, actually reveals a lot. In other words, there is a deeper sense of what is going on here and I can tell you that none of it is accidental or random, but all of this fitting nicely into a discernible rationale. The areas of the first three storms, Cherry Log through First Etowah appears to be quivalent to the area of the second three Second Etowah through Ball Park and a fourth mysterious storm I will point out later. The thrust of this matter concerns establishing that the areas of these storms when ascertained are equivalent to each other satisfying Erickson's claims of semicircular shaped squall lines: both halves appear equivalent in area. That fourth mysterious storm is one of two tornadoes which Forbes Post-Storm Survey could not describe a time or radar assimilated family. By means of the cardioid series/sequencing process, itr is thought to be the final storms in the Second Etowah, Second Cleveland, Ball Park series. That storm is the Cherry Log Creek storm and by means of the cardioid series/sequencing process is thought to have occurred around 7:50-8:00 pm local time. It completes the two processes starting with the Cherry Log tornado. In effect, you are witnessing a sequencing aspect which goes to completion. The cardioid series/sequencing has more to do with times and placement of tornado family effects than tornado movement. It may be that process which as demonstrated above orchestrates the entire outbreak!
 
Dave Van Grun said:
I would like to revisit the Super outbreak of '74 to explain why I believe that the cardioid series/sequencing satisfies why those storms occurred where and when they did. I am speaking about a particular squall line from that date, the one responsible for the Cherry Log tornado, the second occurring tornado on that day, I believe. In my view, the cardioid series/sequencing may explain how those particular storms unraveled and occurred when and where they did and I am going to refer to the Hoxit and Chappell report for that event. Hoxit and Chappell provided the mesometeorology for that outbreak and these described that squall line said by researcher Erickson as a semicircular or ampitheater-shaped formation. By using the cardioid series/sequencing process may confirm Erickson's reasoning on the matter. Remember that a semicircle can be bisected or divided in half revealing that both halves add up to the area of the original semicircle, simple. Now, taking the respective families from that squall line, as these occurred, may explain why these occurred as they did. Starting with the Cherry Log, First Cleveland, First Etowah, then second Etowah, Second Cleveland, Ball Park tornadoes, actually reveals a lot. In other words, there is a deeper sense of what is going on here and I can tell you that none of it is accidental or random, but all of this fitting nicely into a discernible rationale. The areas of the first three storms, Cherry Log through First Etowah appears to be quivalent to the area of the second three Second Etowah through Ball Park and a fourth mysterious storm I will point out later. The thrust of this matter concerns establishing that the areas of these storms when ascertained are equivalent to each other satisfying Erickson's claims of semicircular shaped squall lines: both halves appear equivalent in area. That fourth mysterious storm is one of two tornadoes which Forbes Post-Storm Survey could not describe a time or radar assimilated family. By means of the cardioid series/sequencing process, itr is thought to be the final storms in the Second Etowah, Second Cleveland, Ball Park series. That storm is the Cherry Log Creek storm and by means of the cardioid series/sequencing process is thought to have occurred around 7:50-8:00 pm local time. It completes the two processes starting with the Cherry Log tornado. In effect, you are witnessing a sequencing aspect which goes to completion. The cardioid series/sequencing has more to do with times and placement of tornado family effects than tornado movement. It may be that process which as demonstrated above orchestrates the entire outbreak!
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You should be amazing next spring on the NOW thread, where you'll no doubt be making all kinds of correct tornado predictions in real-time based on this cardioid theory.
 
Dave, when you decide to get serious about properly presenting your theory, you'll have my interest. At this point, though, you're not there and I'm outta here. Thanks to those who have done their best to make responsible, illuminating contributions.
 
Dave Van Grun said:
I would like to revisit the Super outbreak of '74 to explain why I believe that the cardioid series/sequencing satisfies why those storms occurred where and when they did. I am speaking about a particular squall line from that date, the one responsible for the Cherry Log tornado, the second occurring tornado on that day, I believe. In my view, the cardioid series/sequencing may explain how those particular storms unraveled and occurred when and where they did and I am going to refer to the Hoxit and Chappell report for that event. Hoxit and Chappell provided the mesometeorology for that outbreak and these described that squall line said by researcher Erickson as a semicircular or ampitheater-shaped formation. By using the cardioid series/sequencing process may confirm Erickson's reasoning on the matter. Remember that a semicircle can be bisected or divided in half revealing that both halves add up to the area of the original semicircle, simple. Now, taking the respective families from that squall line, as these occurred, may explain why these occurred as they did. Starting with the Cherry Log, First Cleveland, First Etowah, then second Etowah, Second Cleveland, Ball Park tornadoes, actually reveals a lot. In other words, there is a deeper sense of what is going on here and I can tell you that none of it is accidental or random, but all of this fitting nicely into a discernible rationale. The areas of the first three storms, Cherry Log through First Etowah appears to be quivalent to the area of the second three Second Etowah through Ball Park and a fourth mysterious storm I will point out later. The thrust of this matter concerns establishing that the areas of these storms when ascertained are equivalent to each other satisfying Erickson's claims of semicircular shaped squall lines: both halves appear equivalent in area. That fourth mysterious storm is one of two tornadoes which Forbes Post-Storm Survey could not describe a time or radar assimilated family. By means of the cardioid series/sequencing process, itr is thought to be the final storms in the Second Etowah, Second Cleveland, Ball Park series. That storm is the Cherry Log Creek storm and by means of the cardioid series/sequencing process is thought to have occurred around 7:50-8:00 pm local time. It completes the two processes starting with the Cherry Log tornado. In effect, you are witnessing a sequencing aspect which goes to completion. The cardioid series/sequencing has more to do with times and placement of tornado family effects than tornado movement. It may be that process which as demonstrated above orchestrates the entire outbreak!
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First, let me just thank everyone for the kind words, although no credit should go to me, I was simply trying to figure out what Dave was really trying to explain. Kuddos should go to everyone who participated in this thread and really gave him a chance to explain.
That said, I would like to address Dave openly about not only his thought process but also about his lack of providing exactly what we need to make informed decisions.

Dave, this forum includes users from many different walks of life, some are meteorologists, doctors, lawyers, chasers, parents, tv personalities, scientists, blue collar workers, EMS people and many many others.
We have very intelligent people who frequent this forum, some of which have responded to your posts and have yet to receive a true response from you. I fail to understand just why.
I understand, and we can all see that you well versed in mathamatics. In short, you seem to very educated, yet you have not and will not provide any graphics or simple overlays to support your thought process or what you trying to explain to us. Many have asked why. I am no different and would like to know why?
I created that simple cardioid graphic and overlay in Adobe Fireworks in under 20 minutes. I did so to try and help your cause as well as trying to understand it myself. I was very interested in what you had to say until you decided to change your equations to fit your thought process before fully explaining the original post. Why?
My hunch is two-fold:
A) you are not as intelligent as you have lead everyone to believe.
B) you are very intelligent to the point of being a genious.

If A is correct (which I must admit, that's the direction I am leaning to)
then shame on you for getting on here and trying to baffle everyone with bull****.
If B is is correct then I would assume that you may actually have some issues with putting together a simple graphic or file per say.
If this is correct, I as well as others on here would be willing to help you.

Dave, without sounding like I am belittling you (I can assure you I am not)
anyone on this forum can and will tell you that I do not tolerate much. I am a black and white kind of guy. That is, I am straight forward... right, wrong or indifferent. I call things as I see them. I am quite allergic to bull**** and thats just me.
As of this point, it is my belief that your thought process falls under the above mentioned allergy.
I for one, am very tired of feeling like someone is trying to question my education and or being told to figure it out on my own.
This is your idea(s) not mine. As a rule of thumb, (in case you didnt know) YOU are the one responsible to make your own case. A case that should be lined with a full set of data so that everyone can understand or at the very least see visually what you are proposing.
You have not done this and I expect you will not. Therefore, as a memeber of this forum, I am kindly asking that the mods lock this thread at this point.
Mods, if you would, please do not delete this post. NOTE: I have not in anyway shown flame towards Dave.

I am just tired of being fed (IMO) a bunch of bull****.
Thanks,
Lanny
 
So, let me address some of this stuff that has been tossed in my direction. I am NOT saying that this is a demeaning website and I am NOT trying to belittle anyone out there regarding what I may bring to the table. Thirty-three years ago I stumbled upon something which I cannot quite get a handle on and in truth I have been stumbling upon in attempting to get things across. That may be obvious. But all I am trying to do is to follow the precepts of that old Christmas song: DO YOU SEE WHAT I SEE! I can repeat the great work that has been already done and I very much appreciate the help that has guided some regarding posting aids that demonstrate this or that. And to that I say, Thank you! But again, I am basically talking about material regarding a different manner in seeing these old outbreaks that might be more revealing than might have been realized previously. YES, I developed this stuff at a medical teaching university where they make doctors, nurses, and lab techs in my off-time which might be anathema to meteorologists. I saw this stuff years ago and have not made a dent in getting it across but at least you are taking a look at it now. I do not know anything about scams and so forth as discussed in the Martin brothers fiasco and I am not availing myself toward inspiring any scam. THIS IS WHAT I SEE! For example in the above accounts of the squall line which brought about the Cherry Log,First Cleveland, and First Etowah storms, I see a process which indicates that the SOUTHERN extent of the semicircular squall line as described by Erickson "broke" first. This accounts for the pattern Cherry Log, Cleveland, and Etowah storms. This is followed by the NORTHERN half's series/sequencing of Second Etowah, Second Cleveland, Ball Park, and finally Cherry Log Creek storms. These fit into a pattern all based upon that cardioid series/sequencing. By now you can see that I am talking about a placement process and possible timing modicum and not about movement or motion on the part of the respective storms. I am encouraging you to take another look at this outbreak with the intention of seeing the underlying organization involved. I had intentionally thought that a computer science group would love to have this project because the data are already available in the latitudes, the longitudes, and the times which merely have to be recoded as 'x' and 'y' coordinates on a running program. If I am right about all of this, the obvious should be that these storms are predicated on a grander scheme that nobody has come to appreciate thus far. I am asking you to simply take another look at what happened in the sense of understanding this deeper relationship and perhaps realize that these storms are not random at all but placed. I am also asking you to take another look at the Xenia radar out of Covington, Kentucky again with the understanding that if I am correct this storm isn't merely a random process but a storm "racing" to get to its location near Xenia where the cardioid series/sequencing pattern suggests that it should be. My friends, you are looking at a dance, choreographed with the intent that all storms are where these should be if the patterning process holds true! And all of this should aid in your "racing" to get to locations where eventual storms should occur as well! Take another look!
 
Once again you've taken a stance of telling us to go look without even acknowledging any of the requests of you SHOWING us what we should look at, through any sort of graphical representation. Heck, I'd be happy with a sketch on a napkin, photographed and linked into this thread at this point. Surely you've had to graph this on paper or something at some point to support your math?

I'm with Lanny. I think this will end up locked (again) since you won't seem to work with us here.

Scott
 
Ok, I looked... THERE IS NO PATTERN. The tornado touchdowns in the area and date referenced do not even remotely resemble the cardioid curve.

http://tornadohistoryproject.com/tornado.php?yr=1974&mo=4&day=3&st=%25&fu=%25&co=Any&l=auto&submit=Map&ddat=on&dsta=on&dfuj=on&dfat=on&dinj=on&dcou=on&format=basic&p=1&s=1

It makes me sad that we are still entertaining this. You guys are being way too nice. I feel obliged to quote Billy Madison:

Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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I am asking you to go back to look at the OFFICIAL DATA. You are already protesting that I do not spell out the respective material because if I did. it would be MINE and not the OFFICIAL MATERIAL. As to "not looking like the cardioid" I have to remind people that things will NOT look that exacting. I mentioned that the textbooks say that the Ekman Spiral hodographs do not look like the Ekman spiral because the real Ekman spiral is UNSTABLE so, the hodographs APPROACH the Ekman spiral's mathematical sense but may not be the exact same thing(Incientally, no one questions that the double helix explains the DNA molecule but electron micrographs will not show a double helix. These show worm-like "things" which are understood as the double helix, not one looking quite like the other). THE REAL APPROACHES THE IDEAL! Okay, so don't look if you wish. In fact, do what you wish! I cannot believe the problems I have encountered. I took this to a NWS office and they didn't even look but smugly sent me on my way indicating that they would solve the problem. Do you really think that Absolute Vorticity has solved the problem of tornadoes because I do not nor have I ever seen the process that tornadoes occur based upon absolute vorticity with twisting and tilting terms. My God! This is an old concept based upon the roll or arcus cloud concept. The equation is elegant but after nearly fifty years old, one would think that something profound should have come forth. I question its usefulness!But that is not why I am here. Thirty-three years ago I suspected a pattern( I might be wrong about) but which sent me on this direction. I am asking you to look for yourselves at OFFICIAL MATERIAL and not my own because you would complain about its being MY material and NOT OFFICIAL! If there is something here, it should at the least SAVE YOU GAS MONEY!
 
Large map of the April 3, 1974 outbreak.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/extremes/1999/april/map.jpg

What do you mean by OFFICIAL DATA?

Most people who do researched, usually list some references.
Example: would be AMS Journal Articles, Conference Preprints, Books, etc.

Also, it would be nice to know your education background and
your background related to meteorology.

I also know you are not a member of the American Meteorological Society,
because I looked it up in the membership directory.

You are not going to get too much respect from people, when
people have no idea of who you are.

Mike
 
Tell me, do you guys insist to have the background of someone telling you that the next house is on fire before you believe that there is a problem there? As I previously explained, my background is in CLIMATOLOGY and ,NO, I am not a member of the AMERICAN METEOROLOGY SOCIETY. YES, I have taken meteorology college courses as this was the field I wanted to go into but didn't due to the Recession of '73. Because of the need, I had to go deeper into mathematics of calculus and differential equations for supportive material. My textbook was HOLTON'S "72 book, to give you an idea. I am familiar with Dutton's book as well(1976) to give you the idea of my age). So, take a look or don't take a look. By OFFICIAL, I am speaking of the original data from the respected researchers like Fujita, Forbes, Hoxit, and Chappell to which I am asking you to research! RESPECT ME OR DON'T RESPECT ME, I DO NOT CARE BUT TAKE A LOOK! It might be helpful to you!
 
Alright, I looked at the official data. At first I thought I saw a cardioid with -sin orientation, but then I looked again and it was just random data. So Dave, I did indeed take a look. Thank you for your time and for the gas money you have saved me, we will now consider the matter closed.

Jacob, you are right. Its wrong to call Dave idiotic. That's not at all what I was saying with the quote. Rambling and incoherent though... mmmaybe. You have to admit it was pretty funny. Dave, you've seen Billy Madison right?
 
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