The Cardioid: the basis for all tornado outbreaks???

[Joey Ketcham]

I doubt Dave Van Grun is even his real name.

This is exactly why I am in strong favor of going back to a closed/invite only forum for ONLY active storm chasers and Meteorologists. For the life of me I can't seem to figure out how the hell Dave even managed to get approved for a membership here, he stated early on that he doesn't even storm chase. Why we continue to let non-chasers/non-meteorologists on this forum is beyond me.

 

[Jacob Ferden]

At one point, I didn't, but, at this point, I have to agree with Joey. Unless you actually are associated with storm chasing (or at least, storm spotting, photography, etc.) or the profession of meteorology, there is no place for it anymore. Once you've been bombarded with enough bull****, enough is enough.

 

[Lanny Dean]

I doubt Dave Van Grun is even his real name.

This is exactly why I am in strong favor of going back to a closed/invite only forum for ONLY active storm chasers and Meteorologists. For the life of me I can't seem to figure out how the hell Dave even managed to get approved for a membership here, he stated early on that he doesn't even storm chase. Why we continue to let non-chasers/non-meteorologists on this forum is beyond me.

Joey makes a great point and I agree with him totally, this is a perfect example!!!
At this point, I simply do not care who the guy is....for all I know his name really is Dave Van Grun....does not matter to me now.
IMO, this guy should be banned off this forum!

 

[Jim wyman]

Joey,
I sent you my information about me and hope you saw it. I do not chase for the mere fact that we have very few if any storms large emough to chase. Besides the geography and the proximities to Washington DC /Baltimore metropolitan areas sort of kill that whole scene.

I am a storm spotter through Sterling VA (SMS37), I am actively pursuing a forecasting degree ( albiet not a full blown meterology degree). I have my own weather station and website for weather conditions in So. MD.

I continue to learn as much and as often as I can in the field of meterology.

I would hate to be tossed from this forum because some very valuable and great info and discussions can be seen here.

I do not intend to pretend to know more that I do... Plain and simple.
If I can help, I will, and if I can't, I will sit in the dugout.

This is something that I have loved to explore and will do so until the day I die.

I hope the decision of allowing only chasers and pro-meteo folks on here doesn't happen, although after reading this long string of post sfrom Mr. Grundge, I can fully understand why you would want to do so.

Humbly,

Jim

 

[Danny Neal]

I don't think any of us are really condemning non-chasers.... I know this was originally just a chasing forum, but if learners, spotters, enthusiasts come aboard and actually contribute meaningfully to discussions and/or comply by the rules then we all get along. It's people that come in here and try to pull a fast one or just BS their way through the Target Area and always add a nonsensical witty comment to every thread is where the problem lies. Even people not using the SEARCH option and just repeating threads is getting on a number of nerves. I remember a few years back we had a member who was not a chaser, that would show up to every NOW thread and brag about getting "first hand info" from areas hundreds of miles away. Would always just link the SPC webpage and quote their forecasts in the FCST thread. Just follow the simple rules, use your real name, if you don't know something ---- say it, and don't try to BS a BS'er!!!!

 

[Joey Ketcham]

We are seeing an increase of non-chasers/non-meteorologists coming on and posting garbage. It wasn't all that long ago when a non-chaser was on here criticizing active storm chasers on how they chase just because the non-chaser, who has never chased, didn't get to see a tornado on a live stream. I mean come on, is this really what this forum is coming to? If this trend continues, I'm seriously considering leaving this forum.

I don't understand the purpose of having a forum for storm chasers and Meteorologists when it's becoming cluttered with non-chasers/non-meteorologists. Dave's tirade about his theory was the icing on the cake. I really hope that Tim see's this and seriously reconsiders the membership process for StormTrack. We've already seen chasers leave this forum because of the nonsense, if the trend continues I might be next in line to leave.

 

[Danny Neal]

We are seeing an increase of non-chasers/non-meteorologists coming on and posting garbage. It wasn't all that long ago when a non-chaser was on here criticizing active storm chasers on how they chase just because the non-chaser, who has never chased, didn't get to see a tornado on a live stream. I mean come on, is this really what this forum is coming to? If this trend continues, I'm seriously considering leaving this forum.

I don't understand the purpose of having a forum for storm chasers and Meteorologists when it's becoming cluttered with non-chasers/non-meteorologists. Dave's tirade about his theory was the icing on the cake. I really hope that Tim see's this and seriously reconsiders the membership process for StormTrack. We've already seen chasers leave this forum because of the nonsense, if the trend continues I might be next in line to leave.

I have received many a warning/infraction defending that exact point..... After a while you realize.... it just doesn't matter to anyone else.

 

[Jason Boggs]

I agree that it's time to start weeding out a few members. I'm ok with non chasers and non mets contributing in a positive way to the forum. It's really a toss up between weeding out everyone that's not a chaser and giving non chasers a chance to contribute in a positive manner. If I was making the decision, I must say, it would be a tough one.

 

[Melissa Jablonski]

At one point, I didn't, but, at this point, I have to agree with Joey. Unless you can prove that you actually are associated with storm chasing (or at least, storm spotting, photography, etc.) or the profession of meteorology, there is no place for it anymore. Once you've been bombarded with enough bull****, enough is enough.

Gee , honey how do we prove it? I only sell paintings . I've chased since the 1970's but you would exclude me.
Melissa

 

[Scott Weberpal]

I see this thread has been beyond hijacked.

 

[Jacob Ferden]

I see this thread has been beyond hijacked.

Well, what do you expect when the person (whoever he actually is) who started this whole deal is exposed to be a fake? I can accept failure, and I can accept when people prove me wrong through argument, but he just made me, and everyone else who participated in this thread, into complete and absolute fools. That is not something I'm going to take sitting down.

 

[Jacob Ferden]

Gee , honey how do we prove it? I only sell paintings . I've chased since the 1970's but you would exclude me.
Melissa

Point taken. My choice of words was poor and I apologize.

My main issue comes from those who come on here and negatively impact the overall atmosphere of the forum. You do not fit that description. Your posts positively impact the forum and the ideas expressed here.

Now that I've had a bit of a chance to calm down somewhat, what I really would like would be a system where, if someone says they're a chaser, spotter, etc., we will gladly accept them, with the hopes that they will provide positive contributions. If that occurs, wonderful! What would not be tolerable would be meaningless banter, particularly in the target area and advanced discussion areas. We would have a forum with a more free flow of meteorological discussion. I also wish we could then take some steps to attempt to reach out to some of the veteran chasers who have been disillusioned by some negative aspects of this forum which have become more pronounced in recent months.

I expect to get an infraction, at the very least, for the above comments, but I mean every word of what I feel is necessary to save this site.

 

[Dave Kaplow]

Before we hang Mr. Van Grun, note that Scotto is the "expert" who responded to the question, such as it is, that was posted on the other site. I don't see any information on the actual person who originally posted all the tornado/cardioid math, as near as I can tell it could well be the same guy Dave Van Grun we're dealing with here. Or is there something I'm missing?

 

[Dan Cook]

Seeing as how this thread is going nowhere, we're shutting it down.