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Tornado or inflow tail?new pics of the meso..

I wanna make you an interesting question: is that a tornado or inflow tail?Sometimes it's not simple to understand which one is the right thing.
This picture is taken by a friend of mine in North Italy..I was keeping an eye on that cell and I noticed it made a hook echo for at least 25 minutes. This picture was very dark and was taken in the car while my friend drove: I've removed some noise and given some light.

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So?I wait for some thoughts :wink:
 
I guess the big question is was it rotating... it looks like a tornado based on that still alone, but its too hard to tell. That's an ugly storm, though!
 
I guess the big question is was it rotating... it looks like a tornado based on that still alone, but its too hard to tell. That's an ugly storm, though!

You're right Tony but my friend was on the highway and he didn't see if there was rotation...He told me that the cell dropped baseball sized hail :shock:
 
Towards the bottom left of the picture, if you look carefully just to the "northeast" of what I assume is the side mirror of the car, you can see that there's a lighter area that just might be an RFD notch. If you picture a clear slot there, the whole thing sort of jumps into focus and you're looking at a dusty wedge with a very strong RFD. It's not that much of a stretch to interpret things that way. Another clue is the orientation of the line of slightly darker clouds at the top left of the picture, they do look like they're feeding into a wrapped up meso, giving more credence to the idea that the storm is rotating. It's a tough call without more information. On the basis of the appearance of the shelf-like feature alone, there's no question that the most likely explanation is that it's caused by outflow. But I can't completely dismiss the possibility that it's a powerful RFD driving a dusty tornado.
 
Did you guys get any video of the storm? Are there any damage reports?
From the picture, I'd say there is rotation given what looks to me like a collar cloud and probably a clear slot in that area Dave mentioned. I think I'd have to say tornado, too. Impressive storm, regardless. Congrats!!! :D
Angie
 
I'd have to honestly say "inconclusive". I'd suggest going back to that spot and try to do a damage survey or find any damage reports. There appears to be plenty of trees to make that easy.
 
Did you guys get any video of the storm? Are there any damage reports?
From the picture, I'd say there is rotation given what looks to me like a collar cloud and probably a clear slot in that area Dave mentioned. I think I'd have to say tornado, too. Impressive storm, regardless. Congrats!!! :D
Angie

No video but guys of those zones reported numerous damages...But I can't say...Damages with strong RFD winds were so much widespread: I couldn't go in that place to verify by myself. Even I thought of the hypothsis for the RFD and clear slot with a dusty tornado. If my friend will give me other pics I'll make you see.
 
The storm in this picture reminds me a lot of the Stockton KS supercell of 6/9/2005.

I'd say the picture at the very least depicts an RFD shelf cloud. What really complicates things for me is that it appears this picture was taken through a window, so it's hard for me to tell if the lighter features in the dark area beneath the shelf are stuff that was really there or if they are just reflections from stuff inside the car.
 
I vote tornado. The way the end of the funnel comes to a point, and possibly signs of condensation "whisps" encircling the funnel......that'd be my guess. I am sure I am right and everybody else in wrong. (lol)
 
What direction was your friend looking?

I have to say inconclusive at this time. It's either a tornado or one of the best fakenadoes I have seen.

Gabe
 
Were it not for that dark shaft in the background, I'd say the foreground cloud was a shelf along the forward flank outflow. But if the background shaft is precip, I just can't make it line up. It seems it would have to be a tornado...but it is impossible to say conclusively just from this picture.


Ben
 
Looks like the edge of a gust-front feature denoting outflow, to me.

I'd say neither. Personally.

KR

I agree with Karen on this one. The quality of the photo, and most importantly, not being able to see motion, one can't be certain unless they were there. But I looked at this earlier without reading the other comments and that was my first impression, cloud material on the edge of a really nasty outflow feature of some sort. Coming back to look at it a couple of hours later, I still get the same impression. Noting the motions in real life (or video) would have told the ultimate story though.
 
From the possible RFD notch to the right, the evidence of rotation in the clouds (though that could be b/c of the windshield), and the dust on the ground, I would have to say that this was a tornado.

But then again, with the poor quality of this photo, I am tempted to just say "inconclusive". :roll:
 
To me, it has the appearance of a shelf cloud. Strong outflow winds can and do kick up a lot of dirt.

If it was a tornado, I would think it would have been fairly obvious at the time, as the feature appears close enough that any violent motion would have been clearly visible.
 
Well....I went back to this image and studied it late this evening, after first viewing it in the morning.
I finally figured out what that background "swirl" which is in the top quarter of the photo....it's the steering wheel of the car they were riding in. And....hands are on the wheel...and you can make out the dash board area too! Of this..........I have zero doubt.
One of the other big interests I have always had is the paranormal. And all those years of intently studying purported ghost photos...with their typical haziness, etc. etc...paid off today.
This ain't a hoax shot folks. Now, whether that's a tornado or an outflow feature, etc. ....I still don't know. I still stand by tornado, for now.
 
I would have to say shelf cloud also, given what is visible. Looking closely at the picture also shows no debris airborn...not always visible, but if this were as large a tornado as it first appears to be, there should be something airborn around it.
 
Andrea...were there any other photographs of the tornado / shelf cloud that you could post?? Thanks

Joel, so far nothing else...But I'm searching for other pictures: I found a little funnel taken in those zones.
 
Guys
My friend sent me a new pic (poor quality) taken just before the first photo.
To me, this is a wall cloud: you can see the tilted updraft on the right and the rain free base(with the wall cloud at the base).

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Guys
My friend sent me a new pic (poor quality) taken just before the first photo.
To me, this is a wall cloud: you can see the tilted updraft on the right and the rain free base(with the wall cloud at the base).

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The resolution is so low and the angle (poor contrast on the feature) makes it difficult to tell just from the picture, and not enough of what is above it is shown. First thing I think seeing this is a developing shelf cloud. If the first picture posted was after that, it supports that as well.

None of the proper sloping one would look for in a wall cloud (sloping INTO the rain, not away from it) nor a tail cloud is visible on the feature. A shelf cloud would be sloping away from the rain, but if it is sloping toward the photographer in this picture, that probably would not be evident..

Although it could also be a developing wall cloud depending on other things not seen out of the frame and the angle of viewing. Given all of the above, I say shelf cloud forming.

However, given the quality of the photographs, and limited amount of the scene shown, no one is going to be able to tell for sure but the people that were there.
 
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