Storm chaser arrested in Texas

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Look at this youtube clip. Do you think that this is too many lights?:eek: And to the person this vehicle belongs to, sorry, not trying to single you out.

http://www.chase-1.com/index2.htm

Yeah, that's Jeff Draper. I see him every once in a while on local storms. I believe he lives near me. Actually I drove past him just a couple of days ago and didn't see any lights. It didn't totally register at the time because I was thinking about other stuff, but now that you mention it's odd they are all gone now. I was unaware that he had the red/blue. I think he also helps out with some emergency services stuff. I forget if it's legal for the public to run those. Anybody know what the rule on that is? Anyway...back to the real topic.
 
Yeah, that's Jeff Draper. I see him every once in a while on local storms. I believe he lives near me. Actually I drove past him just a couple of days ago and didn't see any lights. It didn't totally register at the time because I was thinking about other stuff, but now that you mention it's odd they are all gone now. I was unaware that he had the red/blue. I think he also helps out with some emergency services stuff. I forget if it's legal for the public to run those. Anybody know what the rule on that is? Anyway...back to the real topic.


Like I said in a previous posts he is also a fireman which gives him authority for the red/blues. I seriously doubt he uses them while chasing. Same as me. I have authorization to have red/blue but I dont use them on chases. NO it is not legal in pretty well every state in the US for citizens to have red/blue lights. those are for emergency workers only (police/fire/ems/dem). I have seen a few chasers that have clear strobes in their headlights or tail lights. those are also illegal in Texas and many other states (as are headlight wigwags). You can only have yellow.

PS... How the hell do we always end up talking about freakin lightbars??? Hasnt this topic been beaten to death in numerous threads yearly for about a decade?? Some people like and some dont.. There will never be a concensus.

NOw back to the topic. We all mostly agre the charges will ne dropped or he will be found not guilty cause the charges are as bogus as can be but even so Bryan is out the $$ he had to spend posting bail etc.. Yes he has the right to a fair trial but a LEO shouldnt have the ability to make a flase arrest costing you legal fees. If the charges are dropped I think the county should have to repay the bail. Bryan shouldnt be out a dollar if he is found not giulty or the charges are dropped. I know when people are found guilty that many tims they are assessed court costs etc.. If found not guilty then they should be reimbursed for the trouble. It should work both ways. Lost wages, bail, attorneys fees etc...
 
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....... Apparently the deputy who arrested Brian is the Sherriff's son-in-law, and is standing by the arrest......

wow ! a family affair ! let me guess ... the Sheriff's name is Don Corleone, right ?
A clear cut case of Mafia biz.

yeah well... that deputy needs to go to mental clinic, and his father-in-law needs a good spanking !

I sure hope Brian wins the case and both son and father-in-law get fired.... but the deputy REALLY needs to visit a mental doctor .... ( or even better : let them have a promotion! send them on special assignment in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba each year from mid-March to early July .... ;-)
 
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It seems to me that although the officer was clearly in the wrong and way out of line, Brian should still have moved, or at the very least made some minimal attempt at looking like he was gonna move soon. Why do I say this? It's not because I have any great respect or for that matter fear of Law Enforcement. But think for a minute: this guy was running a chase tour and had paying customers in the van. His first duty is to them, I would think.

Having worked for a tour group myself I have some knowledge of how chase tours operate, and IMHO those customers should not have been put through the stress of seeing their tour operator taken away in handcuffs, not if there was any way it could have been avoided. Brian should just have sucked it up and deferred to the deputy. When you have paying customers with you it changes a lot of the equation, and among other things it means that you should not choose to make a stand then and there on principle when an angry cop is telling you to do something, no matter how badly you want to. Even if you know damn well you're in the right, you still owe it to your customers to just get on with the tour and leave the arguing about legal rights for some other day.

If he had been alone, though, it's another story. Sometimes you really do have to stand up for your rights in the face of blatant abuse of authority.
 
I must agree with Bill Tabor and his post (#90) as the correct method of handling the situation. All of the talk and interpretations of the alleged applicable and non-applicable laws, people's and chasers' rights by the non-legal, nor, trained legal profession of that particular jurisdiction or state is only likely to lead to more problems for all of us on a wider range.
The man got arrested by an Officer.
The Right or Wrong issue can be resolved in a court of law and not by any of us here.
The same as some of us read the Law Enforcement Forums, I would dare say they are reading ours too and that is good until this kind of debate arises. Some of you have become so inflamed and incensed saying you would refuse these kind of orders, argue, get physical, etc, etc. That will only resolve to land you in jail and cost you lots of time and money. You will not win a physical confrontation with an Officer. Even if you could win one on one, you will lose even more when the blue swarm comes calling afterward.
And should you win at having the Officer fired or disciplined over something such as this, again this will likely lead to retaliatory actions by some Officers, right or wrong. If that is really what you want and the life you chose, then by all means act like that. But your actions out there will most likely affect the rest of us.
I would dare say by the arrested person's comments and blogs, he might have wished he had Simply Moved. It would have possibly all been done. But, now, for what ever reason, he states he would not eat, spent the night, would not lie down on what he jail house analyzed as various stains on the mattress and other deplorable conditions that really had no bearing on the arrest at all. He then goes on to say that someone advised him of some supposed legal bearing on this matter. Why not get the advice and comments of your attorney instead of someone said....?
Again, the easiest and least expensive way would have been to just simply move. Not a very Big Deal. You don't have to agree with the Officer or like him, his remarks, or attitude. Deal with that at a later time and get back to what you were out there for in the first place, especially if you have a group with you. I don't really want any publicity, but definitely not that kind of publicity nor expense. Even if he wins, the arrest record will always be on his NCIC and public record, unless he endures the expense and the unlikely fortune to have the record expunged or sealed. It may say; Not Guilty, Null Prosed, Charges Dropped, or similar wording, but the fact is the record is there.
By all means state whether you agree or disagree here, but don't make it potentially harder on some of us that just want to go chase, spot, and maybe help save some lives.
Personally I have not had any real problems with the Police. I had the one and first in 21 years of a "strange" encounter with the Ardmore, OK Officer a few weeks ago who said dash cams were illegal. No major deal, just very strange. No ticket, no warning, did not have to move the camera. Irritating somewhat, but that is all. I was able to move on within a few minutes, after he finished what he was doing.
Just last week I had 7 Local, County, and State Officers in Arkansas, all at one time, escorting me between 3 tornado warned cells in the area. They asked me if I would go since I had the radar and away we went. They were very happy and I got through the traffic easy and quickly. Whoo Hoo.
I would think that kind of interaction is better for our image than one of hostility and belligerence.
I bet this response will fire some more people off who just want to argue.
 
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Passageway?

If I were judge, I think it is very difficult for an officer to fit a REST AREA as a passage way or highway. To me, it is actually the exact opposite of a passageway. What if he would have gone on to private property right off the road?

-Dooley

At the risk of being tarred and feathered :), I had to add my two cents. Having been on both sides of this type of issue (I was a street cop then a criminal investigator for 25 years), I can kind of see both sides. On the chaser's side, we all know (or maybe should know) where the actual "danger" zone is and how close we can get without being in jeopardy. We go places where normal people think everyone dies, and think nothing of it because we have the training, experience, and the love of Jesus in our eyes. We do provide a valuable service to the NWS, Emergency Management, and the local media by being the purveyors of "ground truth" of the storm environment. Having said that, local police and sheriff's deputies usually don't have even basic spotter training knowledge, and don't really understand that chasers are doing anything constructive. What I'm going to say next is under the assumption that the storm was in close proximity to the parking area. If not, then the deputy was probably way off base...not knowing for sure, here goes. Keeping traffic moving and limiting "rubbernecks" in an area impacted by some hazard (traffic accident, fire scene, storm damage, etc) is an important part of maintaining public safety. Even though it sounds like BS that the deputy wanted to keep other people from stopping and clogging the area, think about it...how many times do we get followed by John Q Citizen (or sometimes a whole convoy of them) in a storm environment just because we have a couple of antennas or some weather instruments on our vehicles? Happens all of the time. If other people were pulling over to see what was going on, the deputy should have rightly been concerned about traffic problems. Impeded traffic flow can limit escape options for drivers in case of worsening conditions or a turning storm. In the past, I asked people to leave areas where the public had full legal access but their presence was a possible hazard or impediment. I never had to curse people out or "slam" them against the car to gain compliance, but then maybe the deputy didn't take the Dale Carnegie course. If the deputy asked the guy to move, and the request was refused, the deputy was well within his legal rights to arrest the guy. According to the Texas Penal Code, anyone who refuses to comply with a "reasonable request" to vacate the area....not necessarily an order or demand...of a police officer of firefighter who is discharging their duties in "maintaining public safety by dispersing those to maintain public safety by dispersing those gathered in dangerous proximity to a fire, riot, or other hazard" is guilty of a Class B Misdemeanor. Keeping people moving out of an area of a hazard, regardless of their motives for being there, is part of maintaining the public safety.

It sounds like the deputy may have gone about it all wrong, especially if he was being verbally abusive, etc, but the unfortunate reality is when a police officer tells you to "move along" you need to do it. B*tch about it later, call the deputy "Barney" to your cohorts, complain to the Sheriff or the County Judge, etc, but plain and simple...move on. It is the responsibility of the police officer to protect the safety of the public. If he felt that restricting the use of a parking area normally open to the public was necessary to protect the public and keep others from creating a traffic hazard, that is his call. This is the same authority the police use to block access to areas after a storm. How many times do we as chasers "sweet talk" our way past roadblocks to do damage surveys or continue a chase so we can pass on information to the NWS, etc? The only reason we get through is the cops feel like being nice to us. They don't have to allow us to pass, even though the roads are public property.

This is how the Penal Code lays it out:
§ 42.03. OBSTRUCTING HIGHWAY OR OTHER PASSAGEWAY.
(a) A person commits an offense if, without legal privilege or
authority, he intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly:
1) obstructs a highway, street, sidewalk, railway,
waterway, elevator, aisle, hallway, entrance, or exit to which the
public or a substantial group of the public has access, or any other
place used for the passage of persons, vehicles, or conveyances,
regardless of the means of creating the obstruction and whether the
obstruction arises from his acts alone or from his acts and the acts
of others; or
(2) disobeys a reasonable request or order to move
issued by a person the actor knows to be or is informed is a peace
officer, a fireman, or a person with authority to control the use of
the premises:
(A) to prevent obstruction of a highway or any of
those areas mentioned in Subdivision (1); or
(B) to maintain public safety by dispersing those
gathered in dangerous proximity to a fire, riot, or other hazard.
(b) For purposes of this section, "obstruct" means to render
impassable or to render passage unreasonably inconvenient or
hazardous.
(c) An offense under this section is a Class B misdemeanor.

Like I said, I will probably be tarred and feathered, but what the hell. A little controversy is good for the soul.
 
Nope!

Nope, as I have recently said, he could move you into a more dangerous place and a rest stop doesn't fit the criteria of the law quoted. He probably knows little to nothing about severe storms as well. Don't blindly follow anyone, know the law and follow it.

-Dooley

Just to reiterate what's already been said by some, if the LEO asks you to move, you better move, regardless of how you may feel about that.
 
KWES News in Midland is reporting the Sheriff (not the arresting deputy) is going to be making a public statement soon. (May 9). This "generally" is in favor of the person arrested. Apparently, the local media and the Sheriff's Office has been bombarded with complaints about the deputies actions.

W.
 
There have probably been hundreds (if not thousands) of friendly encounters between chasers and law enforcement officers over the years. This single instance, in which something went terribly wrong, is the one that's generating all the publicity and flap. I can't see that as being a good thing.

I have a healthy respect for law enforcement officers. The average law enforcement officer is still expected to be able to, for example, subdue an armed, cocaine-addled suspect, and wade into dangerous situations that the rest of us would prefer to avoid. However, as has been repeatedly pointed out on this thread, the average storm chaser will know more about weather than the average law enforcement officer. For this reason, I seek to assist law enforcement whenever I can (offering data, information, etc.)

While I'm as staunch a proponent of civil liberties as you're likely to find, I find it's almost never worth it to tangle with people who carry loaded guns, have the power to lock you up, or to make your life miserable for months as you drag your case out through the courts. I suspect Mr. Barnes will experience some pangs of regret as he realizes how much of his time will be consumed by this case in the coming months.
 
Folks, you are not going to like this: http://www.oaoa.com/news/barnes_16842___article.html/weather_crane.html
QED. Just like the house always wins, the police is always right.

I wonder what would America be like if all respectable chasers stayed off the roads for... let's say for a year, and observed storms from their homes? Or worse, started boycotting areas that are highly hostile against chasers?
 
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Folks, you are not going to like this: http://www.oaoa.com/news/barnes_16842___article.html/weather_crane.html
QED. Just like the house always wins, the police is always right.

I wonder what would America be like if all respectable chasers stayed off the roads for... let's say for a year, and observed storms from their homes? Or worse, started boycotting areas that are highly hostile against chasers?

WOW, the sheriff actually comes out and says:

"Mr. Barnes took it upon himself to recklessly disregard a reasonable request or order to leave the immediate vicinity where our deputy believed him and fellow passengers to be in a dangerous proximity to funnel clouds that had already produced one reported tornado."

What a load of crap. I am so glad the LEO protected Brian so well by arresting him and taking him through the storm to jail.
 
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