Should the terms waterspout, landspout etc be dropped?

Drop multiple terms for tornadoes or not?

  • Use a single term - TORNADO

    Votes: 17 13.8%

  • Use multiple terms - TORNADO, LANDSPOUT, WATERSPOUT etc

    Votes: 106 86.2%
  • Total voters
    123
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Martin - I haven't followed your entire thread, but if you are calling that a landspout I'd have to disagree...
 
rdale said:
Martin - I haven't followed your entire thread, but if you are calling that a landspout I'd have to disagree...
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I think he's calling it a supercell. Reading back a couple pages to see that was pretty simple. (only 8 prior posts)
 
I agree, I don't understand how anyone could mistake that for a landspout. That is a HP supercell with a meso/lowering. You can see the striations on the east or southeast side of the storm. This image looks like the photographer was directly south of this storm. There is not even evidence of a circulation on the ground let alone a landspout. If something formed in this image it would be a mesocyclonic tornado not a landspout, which involves tube streching via the updraft.
 
Thanks for posting that Martin. Please don't take this personally, but I really don't see why you think that is a "supercell"? I am not even sure that's a storm.

You mentioned that your "supercell" as seen here generated no hail, no strong winds, even no lightening or any other severe features. That's another clue it's nothing. I don't know what the date was, but if you look at the skew-t, there's no instability or wind shear on that day either, as I recall from our original discussion . No radar return either as I also recall. Help me out here?

Dave Clarke said:
Mungo, I really think you have your "meteorological pants around your ankles" with this. After your comments on UKww re the Belfast supercell were shot down in flames, you disappeared only to re-appear here with your mis-aligned meteorological ramblings. I've forwarded a copy of your post onto Josh Wurman, as he enjoys a good laugh in the evenings.
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Dave Clark - I dont know who you are dude. But you are surely one the weirdest people I have ever met online:eek:
 
MJ Poore said:
Thanks for posting that Martin. Please don't take this personally, but I really don't see why you think that is a "supercell"? I am not even sure that's a storm.
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Supercell is defined by its mesocyclone, not by severe weather it does produce. There are records of such storm, arising in cold-enivronment, mostly in the quick northwesterly flow behind cold fronts. Such storms formed in little instability, some of them apparently in none. Why? Dynamics of strong low pressure systems aided in formation of the storms. Shear does not have to be obvious nor helicity, these can be developed in vicinity of boundaries, which can interfere with storm. These storms are sometimes called mini-supercells because of their relatively low tops. In some of them there was even no lightning nor hail. But tornadoes have been reported from them.
BTW. radar returns from mini supercells can be very misleading and weak.

Why are you so sceptical? On the images posted, storm structure strongly suggests supercell and TORRO researchers have sufficient knowledge about local climate and weather to be able to judge on the storms and tornadoes that form in UK.
 
MJ Poore said:
Thanks for posting that Martin. Please don't take this personally, but I really don't see why you think that is a "supercell"? I am not even sure that's a storm.

You mentioned that your "supercell" as seen here generated no hail, no strong winds, even no lightening or any other severe features. That's another clue it's nothing.
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If that is not a storm then what exactly is it?? I was under a HP supercell which moved over southern England at the end of December last year which produced several tornadoes, some very heavy rain and strong winds but virtually zero lightning.
 
rdale said:
Martin - I haven't followed your entire thread, but if you are calling that a landspout I'd have to disagree...
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Lol...I never said it was a landspout. :)

It is a Mesocyclone on a Supercellular thunderstorm I took here in N. Ireland last year.

Mungo says it isn't a storm...yet the thing was well electified!
 
Brandon Ivey said:
I agree, I don't understand how anyone could mistake that for a landspout. That is a HP supercell with a meso/lowering. You can see the striations on the east or southeast side of the storm. This image looks like the photographer was directly south of this storm. There is not even evidence of a circulation on the ground let alone a landspout. If something formed in this image it would be a mesocyclonic tornado not a landspout, which involves tube streching via the updraft.
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Forget about Landspout...no one ever said this was a Landspout. We are trying to prove/argue the fact to Mungo (and educate him a bit) that this is a Mesocyclone on a Supercell Thunderstorm.

Yes, I was directly South of the Storm at a range of I'd say 3 miles. That was only one of two I saw that day.

We also had a Supercell on tail end of a squall line in 31st Dec 2006 which dropped an EF2/3 (borderline) tornado with a damage track of in excess of 10 miles. I reported that one on here with photos as I do with all tornadic events I photograph or investigate.
 
MJ Poore said:
Thanks for posting that Martin. Please don't take this personally, but I really don't see why you think that is a "supercell"? I am not even sure that's a storm.

You mentioned that your "supercell" as seen here generated no hail, no strong winds, even no lightening or any other severe features. That's another clue it's nothing. I don't know what the date was, but if you look at the skew-t, there's no instability or wind shear on that day either, as I recall from our original discussion . No radar return either as I also recall. Help me out here?

Dave Clark - I dont know who you are dude. But you are surely one the weirdest people I have ever met online:eek:
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Mungo...you are like trying to nail jelly to a wall.

No, wind shear! The event was entirely kinematics driven. Low Cape/high kinematics....

Now please. You are embarrassing yourself... :D
 
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