Chaser courtesy reminder!

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Which in this case you do fit the bill - caring just for yourself.

Always wondered why that's considered a crime.


You also imply that your level of experience dictates you to be reckless to get the shot... interesting.

Actually, I only said that experienced chasers know that you don't always get handed the shot. Sometimes you have to (either) take the shot that's there (even if it means sitting on a window) or simply choose to miss the shot. Nothing more nothing less.


I've been out to plains enough to know what kind of circus it is becoming.

Becoming? Where have you been the past five or so years?


Seems like you just can not take other person's opinion because you happened to be one of those sitting in the vehicle window a while back...

Because I disagree with it, I can't "take" your opinion? Maybe you missed the smiley after my initial statement in my first reply...this is all filler until the next chase. While I certainly do feel the way I state on these ST posts, their significance in the over Big Picture of what matters is nil. I do this for entertainment; I don't lose sleep over StormTrack. I enjoy the hell out of it, but it's not what I live and die for.


I don't need to know what the situation was with the guy hanging out, I am also quite sure a cop would not care what the situation was...

Me either, that's why I've done this twice in 12 years, both times to get a tornado. If some cop sees me in the act and considers me more important than the tornado I'm shooting, I think the cop is the bigger issue than some guy leaning out a window for 10 seconds. But what do I know.


My statements were not regarding ALL chasers like you suggested, just the ones with moronic behaviour. Thought it would be easy to grasp.

I don't consider myself a moron. Obviously, you do. I simply disagree that hanging out a window to get a shot makes a chaser a moron. Did you take a shot at Jim Reed a while back for running up to a tornado? I don't recall that post.


So you live on the plains, huh... what I was saying is that it would be great if people visiting could behave themselves accordingly. Again, I thought it was easy to understand. I never suggested all chasers were vacationers. And yes, I do come to your part of the world but act with outmost respect. Perhaps with more respect than some of the folks born there.

If you think I'm an idiot because I hung out a vehicle twice to shoot a tornado, more power to ya. Just remember that the next time you screw up, or do something spontaneous in the heat of battle. Because you will.
 
If you must hang out of the vehicle window like the guy in the picture (most of your body) to get a decent shot then you are a moron in my book.

Good thing I'm not reading your book, and good thing it's not one of Oprah's top choice, #1 sellers!! I think it was last year someone behind me grabbed a picture of me hanging out the window filming a funnel and posted it in the reports thread, wasn't the first time I've done it and probably won't be the last. I guess if you got a problem with it go get a badge and arrest me... If hanging out the window to film while slowly riding down the road is the worst thing "chaser police" can come up with, I'd say the state of chasing is pretty well mannered. I think too many people, actually think that other people care what they think.

EDIT: Since the above has nothing to do with the point of the thread "chaser responsibility" to make sure I touch on the topic of the thread, I do think it is vital that everyone do their best to get as far off the road as possible, and pull off in wise places, i.e. not right over a hill crest. Probably most importantly IMO is respect the victims, do all you can to help, but also make sure not to be a nuisance...
 
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Id have to agree there, I personally don't see the big deal in that. Ive never done it because Im always the driver but I think I would if it was the only way I could get the picture I wanted. I personally have better things to do than take pictures of people doing such things, I want pictures of storms, not people.

Some will argue you should pull over, but then the whole issue of not pulling over properly comes up, especially if the road is less than favorable for you to do so. Like the one Mike H put a picture of on page 1 of this thread, how are you supposed to pull over safely on that lol you cant help it if a tornado or other feature suddenly drops and the only chance you have of gettin a picture that isnt obscured by splattered bugs on the windshield is to lean out the window.

Damned if you do and damned if you dont, so just go out there and get the shot you want. If you hang out the window...its your own gamble.

The reckless driving and stopping/standing int he middle of the road tho is a bit uncalled for...if you want to play in traffic then I can show you some great expressways here in Chicago with a ton of it....but dont put other chasers at risk...weather they're speeding or not, the roads should always be kept open and unblocked.
 
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I don't care if someone hangs out a window, just so long as it's not the driver. Last I checked a passenger hanging out didn't feel too threatening to me. I think those that get soooo wound up over chaser image should stay home, because simply chasing probably makes you look crazy.

And give me people hanging out windows(even drivers) as long as they aren't running around with their light bars going! (this thread feels empty without light bars)
 
Instead of hanging out the window, I prefer standing through the sunroof. Much less dangerous, unless you forget to open the roof first.:D

I’ll be out this weekend and just hope to not be rudely greeted by the “get-the-hell-out-of-the-way-because-I’m-an-important-storm-chaser-on-a-mission†moron that tries to bully you off the road as he almost kisses your rear bumper, horn honking, and the obligatory finger when he passes you by in a no-passing zone, forcing oncoming traffic to pull off the road. I guess I was going too slow driving the speed limit on a rain slicked highway and I had the gall not to pull off on a road without a shoulder. Don’t recall if he had lightbars.:D

But while that guy was a schmuck, I think he’s an exception to the rule. Most chasers wouldn’t flip the bird, they’d be too busy checking data as they swerved back into the proper lane.:D

But seriously, the reckless self-important idiot, while certainly a hazard to himself and innocent others, is in the minority and should not define the image of the storm chaser. Hell, if the membership of this forum is a reflection of the chasing community then I think you have a group of highly educated people with a passion for storms and concern for the safety of others. Hopefully that will be the image that will ultimately prevail.;)
 
Instead of hanging out the window, I prefer standing through the sunroof. Much less dangerous, unless you forget to open the roof first.:D

Standing through the sunroof is especially fun and useful ... when you're chummin' for lightning.

;)
 
The ONLY thing keeping more chasers from being booked on reckless driving is the tornado, since most LEO will be busy. If I were to catch someone hanging out of the vehicle and I had the time I would issue a reckless driving citation to the driver which is a mandatory court appearance and a ride/or/cling to vehicle citation to the passenger.

I am tired of working fatality collisions because people are being stupid. They are not fun, the death notifications are even worse. Your actions do effect many others. If you have a partner die because of your recklessness you are going to do prison time. And if that is not enough how many chases can you cover with no insurance, license or a civil judgement for a death agains you?
 
The ONLY thing keeping more chasers from being booked on reckless driving is the tornado, since most LEO will be busy. If I were to catch someone hanging out of the vehicle and I had the time I would issue a reckless driving citation to the driver which is a mandatory court appearance and a ride/or/cling to vehicle citation to the passenger.


Man I am glad I dont chase in owasso sounds like....Wait I figured it out you just transferred from Crane county !!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry couldnt help myself lmfao!
 
With all of us that are running the live streaming chase cams, it's only a matter of time before a bunch of bonehead stunts are going to show up on someone's camera, as someone in front of them does something stupid... and everyone will get to see it LIVE.
 
The ONLY thing keeping more chasers from being booked on reckless driving is the tornado, since most LEO will be busy. If I were to catch someone hanging out of the vehicle and I had the time I would issue a reckless driving citation to the driver which is a mandatory court appearance and a ride/or/cling to vehicle citation to the passenger.

I am tired of working fatality collisions because people are being stupid. They are not fun, the death notifications are even worse. Your actions do effect many others. If you have a partner die because of your recklessness you are going to do prison time. And if that is not enough how many chases can you cover with no insurance, license or a civil judgement for a death agains you?

Just seems like making a mountain out of a molehill. I mean it's not like we're jumping 32 parked buses or something. Hanging out a window is no more dangerous than crossing the damn street. Too many people make "drama" from nothing. It's hanging out a window, period.

NSSL did it in the 80s, and they lived. (May 14, 1986)

Tell you what. You guys watch out for idiots, I'll chase the storms.
 
chasers being stupid

In the future a large fast moving tornado is going to overtake a bunch of gridlocked vehicles stuck on a road in a chasers traffic jam. Also a speeding drunk yahoo in a pickup with his camcorder is going to T-bone a van full of storm tour vacationers. Lighting will strike a group of people huddled around tripods in a field watching a tornado develope. I can see why you want to ramble on about a guy hanging out of his window filming a storm.
 
Shane, there is a point of making a mountain from a molehill. However all it takes is for something to happen and then it gets a life of its own. None of us are virgins when it comes to driving on a chase. However for every ten good things we accomplish on a chase it will all be lost in the video of one screw up. All it takes is the right person to complain and the trouble starts. Safety should be first.

I can see this scenario happening someday, if there is a mod/high risk a state police agency or department in that area assigns more units to work on reckless driving from the groups of chasers. This could come from citizen complaints, news reports or video from the net. The end result is the same problems for anyone chasing. Ensuring we do what is right now may prevent problems for us in the future. If officers are ordered to crack down on something you can bet it will happen. A little common sense and courtesy will go along ways............
 
Shane, there is a point of making a mountain from a molehill. However all it takes is for something to happen and then it gets a life of its own. None of us are virgins when it comes to driving on a chase. However for every ten good things we accomplish on a chase it will all be lost in the video of one screw up. All it takes is the right person to complain and the trouble starts. Safety should be first.

This is fine, but I don't think the screw-up will come from the chaser corner. I think the biggest chance of disaster is from some hormone-crazy 16-year-old hopping in his jalopy with his camera and getting killed because he has absolutely no clue what he's doing. That's when Bill-O and all the rest of them step in waving the flag and attacking the idea of stormchasing because they "think of the children."

I know this is my first year, and somehow I've been on nine chases and driven 7500 miles without coming across an absolutely massive convergence. But on March 30th down in Southern Oklahoma, we ran into quite a gathering of chasers (~50 vehicles) in the dark during a pretty menacing storm. Even at night, people were still parked safely, and as the storm approached (I'd bet most of us didn't have any data out there) the semi-exodus was conducted in a routine and courteous manner. I didn't see anyone running off other chasers trying to reposition - "lightbar-equipped" vehicles and all were courteous.

This might not have been a "real" chaser convergence, but it was a potentially dangerous situation in a poor area after nightfall, and I didn't see any rampant breaking of the law. In short, even though I'm sure some chasers put other chasers and citizens at risk at times, I think the molehill is still just a hill.

I can see this scenario happening someday, if there is a mod/high risk a state police agency or department in that area assigns more units to work on reckless driving from the groups of chasers.

This is not going to happen, and to echo a comment made by someone else earlier in this thread, neither is the "blizzard shutdown scenario" that would prevent anyone save emergency vehicles and media from a dangerous severe situation.

On April 7th, a PDS watch was issued for a widespread portion of Oklahoma, and it ended up pretty much busting out. Iowa's notorious HIGH last year busted out over a good portion of the chaseable area. Can you imagine the waste of resource on these days, when tons of bored LEOs would essentially sit around and wait for nothing, or worse, be diverted from matters of more pressing attention for the purpose of babying stormchasers on days when storms crap out? What about the extra LEOs from all the counties not effected even on an outbreak day? This also answers the ridiculous "shutdown" scenario mentioned earlier, because unlike a much more predictable imminent blizzard event, the uproar from shutting down travel on a bust day would be deafening.

This could come from citizen complaints,

There are too many problems with this: misidentification, "witch-hunting" from other chasers or citizens that didn't like the chaser, unreliable testimony, etc. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by citizen complaints, but you're going to have to have something else other than hearsay to bring a chaser to court.

news reports

You know that the news has their own agenda and cuts out facts to fit it. On the "Twister Sisters" show last year (I know this is not news), some chaser was depicted as core-punching a TOR-warned storm at night with a very young son in the car. What if FOX News ran this story? Can you charge the chaser with reckless endangerment? What if the facts of this story were snipped to make it appear more dramatic, to get ratings up?

or video from the net.

So let's say Chaser X and I get into a huge argument and I block him off in Nebraska on Thursday, out on some desolate road during a storm. He films it. Next year we're both chasing in your county and this video on the net rule is imposed, and Chaser X puts this video of me from a long time back on Youtube, claiming it to have happened in your county. Are you justified in charging me with a crime in your jurisdiction?

The end result is the same problems for anyone chasing. Ensuring we do what is right now may prevent problems for us in the future. If officers are ordered to crack down on something you can bet it will happen. A little common sense and courtesy will go along ways............

All right, I will give you this paragraph wholeheartedly, and I agree. Being (and for the most of us, remaining) courteous to other chasers and citizens, and creating a safe environment for them, will mean that future problems will be minimized.

But LEOs have bigger fish to fry than making sure chasers behave - fish such as responding to emergency calls, injuries, and lawlessness during extreme severe events in a populated area. LEOs should not be scattered about chasing chasers, especially since not every setup has one mothership with a gigantic choo-choo following it. Additionally, clamping down on chasing will disrupt the majority of good-minded chasers and spotters, who will eventually stop going out because they fear a ticket or imprisonment even more than a tornado. This would lead to the disruption of spotting and reporting of severe weather, and the second that LEOs drop the ball on a deadly storm which spotters or chasers at home would have otherwise reported to save lives is the second that makes this idea utterly unforgivable.
 
Wow.....yall are on a roll:):):)

There is a white, unmarked van that I have seen that pulls into the middle of the road to block traffic that I've come across twice in the OKC area. Next time, I think I will play chicken with you and force you to move. I drive a storm chasing piece of junk and I don't mind a few more dings and dents....just more "war" stories.
 
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