An Appeal for Civility

Lanny

This has nothing to do with 'towing the line'. It's about common decent manners.

You wouldn't speak to somebody face to face like that, so why do it in a forum?

Personally I agree that there should be a healthy range of contributors, contributions and posters in a forum. But there's no place for plain out and out rudeness. No matter how cheesed off you are.
What I've never been able to understand -- and this applies at lots of other forums I've visited, not just here -- is what compels people to report posts and complain about heated arguments in which they're not even involved. For example, in the thread yesterday, I can totally understand the select few guys who were involved in the name-calling getting peeved at one another and reporting the thread to the moderators -- who, in that case, should take care of the problem. But there were also some bystanders who felt the need to get on their high horses and either tell everyone else to "knock it off," report the thread to the moderators due to "incivility" which wasn't even affecting them, or both. That kind of behavior, I must admit, annoys me to no end.

Basically, I don't see the need to lock threads and hand out suspensions unless the parties actually involved in the "flame war" complain. In the case of yesterday's thread, some of those who were being called names may well have complained, in which case I understand the thread being locked and posts being pruned out. But as for everyone else, if they don't like the language or tone of the thread, they can click the back button on their browser, go look at a different thread that suits their tastes, and get over themselves.
 
I agree with Bob, Stuart, and those who have said that this is a "private" forum.

Even if you DO buy a membership, it doesn't explicitly give you any rights, does it?

I like real-world examples, so let's use one; When you purchase a ticket to a circus, that doesn't mean you have a RIGHT to dictate how the show is run. In fact, I'm fairly certain they can kick you out just for the hell of it.
 
Dan, is this directed at all members?
Before you give Joey or anyone else for that matter this type of ultimatum, IMO it might be a good idea to discuss this with Tim. You just might get what your asking for which could mean many many members dropping like flies. This what I was trying to hint at earlier.
IMO, Joey has just as much right to be posting/asking questions as the next guy and I don't think what he said was bad or meant in a bad way.

No offense Dan, but, this is exactly the kind of stuff I was refering to.
"Toeing the line"....I have delt with this kind of stuff all my life and to be honest it makes me sick.


It was directed at Joey.

There are rules at this forum as this is a MODERATED forum. You are all free to discuss Reed in a CIVILIZED manor. I shut down that thread the 2nd time as within 5 minutes it degenerated into a flame war.

People are not leaving due to rules. They are leaving because people are unruly here.
 
It was directed at Joey.

There are rules at this forum as this is a MODERATED forum. You are all free to discuss Reed in a CIVILIZED manor. I shut down that thread the 2nd time as within 5 minutes it degenerated into a flame war.

People are not leaving due to rules. They are leaving because people are unruly here.

Really??? And just how was Joey being unruly?
This **** makes me sick!
 
It was directed at Joey.

There are rules at this forum as this is a MODERATED forum. You are all free to discuss Reed in a CIVILIZED manor. I shut down that thread the 2nd time as within 5 minutes it degenerated into a flame war.

People are not leaving due to rules. They are leaving because people are unruly here.

You are missing the point to this whole ordeal. It is about the freedom to express opinions for what one believes in and to stand up for one selves.

If this is how you are taking this situation then your lack of common sense disgust me.
 
You are missing the point to this whole ordeal. It is about the freedom to express opinions for what one believes in and to stand up for one selves.

If this is how you are taking this situation then your lack of common sense is disgust me.

Too bad this is a private forum where we have rules governing such things.
 
What I've never been able to understand -- and this applies at lots of other forums I've visited, not just here -- is what compels people to report posts and complain about heated arguments in which they're not even involved. For example, in the thread yesterday, I can totally understand the select few guys who were involved in the name-calling getting peeved at one another and reporting the thread to the moderators -- who, in that case, should take care of the problem. But there were also some bystanders who felt the need to get on their high horses and either tell everyone else to "knock it off," report the thread to the moderators due to "incivility" which wasn't even affecting them, or both. That kind of behavior, I must admit, annoys me to no end.

Basically, I don't see the need to lock threads and hand out suspensions unless the parties actually involved in the "flame war" complain. In the case of yesterday's thread, some of those who were being called names may well have complained, in which case I understand the thread being locked and posts being pruned out. But as for everyone else, if they don't like the language or tone of the thread, they can click the back button on their browser, go look at a different thread that suits their tastes, and get over themselves.

Ditto. People need to grow thicker skin. I've been called every name in the book on other forums I frequent and I have never felt the need to report it. I've also witnessed other people taking a brutal beating and again, never felt the need to report it. The internet can be a cruel world, it is what it is. If people get offended that easily than sorry, forums aren't for them.
 
New Discussion Catagory

News
News and Announcments

Target Area
This is a special area that has an additional set of rules. This area is more heavily moderated etc.

Weather
Beginners Advanced etc.

Miscellaneous discussion
Bar and Grill etc.

Jerry Springer
Anything goes.

I recommend adding the above discussion category.
This is not a joke. Mods could just move those discussions
down to Jerry Springer. Anyone who does not want to know
what goes on in there doesn't have to look.
 
But ST is not moderating (well you are today and thanks for that) ST just simply deletes the posts and has everyone take it out on the other sites. You yourself (Dan) were telling Dick to knock it off on Facebook instead of here, that can be read about 1000 different ways. Were you serrious? Were you giving a friend a heads up? It's called Moderation not Deletion.
 
News
News and Announcments

Target Area
This is a special area that has an additional set of rules. This area is more heavily moderated etc.

Weather
Beginners Advanced etc.

Miscellaneous discussion
Bar and Grill etc.

Jerry Springer
Anything goes.

I recommend adding the above discussion category.
This is not a joke. Mods could just move those discussions
down to Jerry Springer. Anyone who does not want to know
what goes on in there doesn't have to look.


This is actually a great idea IMO....this way if ST wants to continue to hold it's members who may have an issue with someone or something, they have an place right here in the forum to do so.
Honestly, I think this is a great idea and should seriously be looked at, unless of course ST as a whole wants to stay on current course.
 
Jerry Springer
Anything goes.

I recommend adding the above discussion category.
This is not a joke. Mods could just move those discussions
down to Jerry Springer. Anyone who does not want to know
what goes on in there doesn't have to look.

People can do this anyway by not reading what they feel like is offensive to them... It is like me going to a porn site and then yelling at the porn site saying their product is offensive. They would ask why did you come to it in the first place. Yes there are rules here. People should of not been banned or suspended. Nobody threatened to kill anybody.
 
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