Andrew Burnett
EF2
I can not confirm this immage, but this one is floating around.
James Hilger
EF4
Just West of Rangeline and 20th I beleive.
Andrew Burnett
EF2
1. That looks like stronger that F0 damage
2. Did anyone else notice the cat literally flying through the scene, then running off at 2:22?
Warren Faidley
Supporter
I have added a few quick pics of the Joplin tornado aftermath to my Facebook page here:
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1441100927
As seen from the extreme damage, the EF5 rating is well established. In fact, the damage I surveyed in Joplin, was far more extreme than the damage I witnessed in Moore, OK in 1999. It will be interesting when the final wind speeds are calculated / estimated. I should note I was told that the entire hospital was moved on it's foundation and will need to be demolished.
Warren
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1441100927
As seen from the extreme damage, the EF5 rating is well established. In fact, the damage I surveyed in Joplin, was far more extreme than the damage I witnessed in Moore, OK in 1999. It will be interesting when the final wind speeds are calculated / estimated. I should note I was told that the entire hospital was moved on it's foundation and will need to be demolished.
Warren
Elaine Spencer
EF3
Aside from a passing reference to a lot of bodies being found in "restaurant row", and to the number of casualties at the hospital and nursing homes, I haven't yet seen any other references to WHERE most of the dead are being found. That, I think, would be critical to determining the answer to the question of why so many died. How many were in their cars? How many were in the restaurants or big box stores? How many were at home? How many were outdoors and didn't get to shelter in time vs. how many were sheltered in some fashion? How many -- I apologize if I'm being a bit graphic here -- were literally sucked into the wind and hurled to their death?
The same questions could be asked about Tuscaloosa/Birmingham and other multiple casualty tornadoes/outbreaks this year. I'm sure that sifting through and analyzing all the damage and casualty data from the 2011 tornado season will keep whole teams of researchers occupied for years to come.
The same questions could be asked about Tuscaloosa/Birmingham and other multiple casualty tornadoes/outbreaks this year. I'm sure that sifting through and analyzing all the damage and casualty data from the 2011 tornado season will keep whole teams of researchers occupied for years to come.
rdale
EF5
Those questions are being researched (at least from the April outbreak and I assume Joplin too.) There was a big conference call about two weeks ago where the plans were coordinated and discussed. But that takes time, plus the last thing on the list of "to-do" for the EM's is to get that info out. So it will come - just not quickly.
Alan Smithton
Looking at the first list of 31 confirmed dead that has been released, I'm struck by the fact that no more than half of the deceased are actually from Joplin - many, many people are from surrounding towns and outlying areas. I have a feeling that this means that there were unfortunately many fatalities among those who were just in town shopping / eating / driving and may have not had time to get to adequate shelter...or not known where to go.
Andrew Burnett
EF2
Not surprising... Joplin is the "day out" destination for about a 50+ mile radius. Couple that with a major HS graduation occuring only a couple hours previous and there you go.
Craig Norris
EF0
satellite before and after. Damage Path nothing short of stunning. When all is said and done and after a recent blog article referencing '99 Moore, OK (i want to attribute it to Mike Smith but cant remember), will Joplin ultimately be regarded as one of the Top 2 modern day tornadoes based on the types of destruction it did? I dont think it matters but I was in Greensburg 3 days after their F5, and there were blocks where all was gone. Pics I've seen out there dont necessarily look like that, but I dont think it may be a fair comparison. The congestion of the environment may limit the visual appearance of the damage....i.e. more debris colliding eventually they "ball up" instead of being swept away.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/05/25/us/joplin-aerial.html
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/05/25/us/joplin-aerial.html
Kevin Walters
EF2
Damage in Parkersburg was complete in some areas with homes totally swept away. There were "rows" of debris formed and some of the home sites that were swept clean ended up with debris from homes that were blocks away.
Alan Smithton
I read something (unfortunately I can't seem to find it on the SGF NWS site right now) that the F5 rating was based on damage in the vicinity of the Home Depot on Range Line, which is well to the east of what that satellite view shows.
A better one, which shows the entire damage path, is here
http://ngs.woc.noaa.gov/storms/joplin/
You can go in under the options at left to turn off the red boxes and switch Base Layers to Google Satellite, then toggle "Response Imagery" to see before/after. The May 24th images are the ones of the city of Joplin.
PDailey
From local reports around here, a lot of the deaths occured to the west and east of the high school in homes that were built as long ago as the 1940's. I also like to hear how many died in Wal-Mart and Home Depot. That nursing home took a direct hit and at least 11 people were killed at that facility.
At the end of the day, it'll come down to the worst possible kind of tornado hitting a populated area that wasn't expecting anything like that to happen. Now, you might question that because we're right on the edge of Tornado Alley here, but people here have gotten used to false alarms so often, they just don't pay attention. Once again, I don't understand that mind set, but for non-weather buffs, they really don't pay attention.
At the end of the day, it'll come down to the worst possible kind of tornado hitting a populated area that wasn't expecting anything like that to happen. Now, you might question that because we're right on the edge of Tornado Alley here, but people here have gotten used to false alarms so often, they just don't pay attention. Once again, I don't understand that mind set, but for non-weather buffs, they really don't pay attention.
Jordan Hartley
Very good friend and reliable source told me the number of deaths is grossly higher than the number being put out right now. A family memberof my friend works for the coroner's office there and told her this. That because of so many unidentifiable corpses, they can't officially confirm someones death until they have been identified. She told me there's 2000+ dead. A lot of these come from the home depot and walmart and old neighborhoods.
Now I was told this last night. I just wanted to enjoy a nice dinner with my family at a restaurant my friend works at and got this bomb dropped on me. Shes from Joplin, her family being one of the most well known there and has lived there forever.
Now I was told this last night. I just wanted to enjoy a nice dinner with my family at a restaurant my friend works at and got this bomb dropped on me. Shes from Joplin, her family being one of the most well known there and has lived there forever.
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rdale
EF5
2000? Come on now... Remember a similar "friend of a friend who's neighbor is related to someone who made deliveries to the coroner's office" came up in Katrina and even in the April outbreak. That's a bomb allright. A bomb of
jeremy wilson
Dude, I cant even begin to comprehend this. I hope your very wrong.
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