2004-09-03 FCST: Ivan (Atlantic)

This could be very bad. New Orleans sits nearly seven feet below sea level. Forecaster's are expecting nearly complete submersion of the city and have alerted emergency services to have 10,000 bodybags ready to collect drowning victims. Approximately 1 in 5 residents are not evacuating the city. If this storm strengthens back up to category 5, which is possible, the results could be catastrophic if they are not already.

I saw that story on Drudge, they already took the article down. I have a feeling that New Orleans will once again dodge the bullet. The current track poses a threat to New Orleans, but it is not the worst case scenario. Scientists have been warning for years that New Orleans is a disaster waiting to happen.
 
Interesting tidbit in this mornings advisory:

OCCUPANTS OF HIGH-RISE BUILDINGS WITHIN THE
HURRICANE WARNING AREA CAN EXPECT HIGHER WINDS THAN THOSE
EXPERIENCED AT THE SURFACE...ABOUT ONE SAFFIR-SIMPSON CATEGORY HIGHER AT THE TOP OF A 30-STORY BUILDING.

I never really thought about this before.
 
1915 Hurricane

HISTORY OF STORM

The storm first reported forming in the carribbean sea off the Leeward Islands about midway between Porto Rica and the mainland of South America. Saturday the 25th it was S.W. of Jamaica moving toward the Yucatan Channel. On the 26th storm warnings was issued for Florida. On the evening od Setember 27th it was moving North over the West end of Cuba. Tuesday Morning warnings went up for all points from Pensacola to Morgan City La. At 3 p.m. huricane warnings said it would strike East of the mouth of the Mississippi River.

The storm made land ~20 miles west of New Orleans.

http://members.aol.com/donald529/page12/

Amazing similarities.
 
Ivan's intensity decrease is interesting... CIMSS analysis from UW shows that there really isn't much shear over the system... SST and upper-layer heat content is plenty warm, as the storm should be moving over the warm eddy in the northcentral Gulf... The storm's outflow looks very healthy, as it has expanded considerably on the western side. The ONLY negative that I can see, and it seems to really be taking a toll on it, despite the other positives, is dry air getting entrained from the west. This huge chunk of dry air has progressively been getting wrapped into the circulation, with the leading edge now being in the southeast quadrant of the storm. This may have helped cause the northwest convection to almost fall apart late last night and early this morning, and thus the rise in pressure from 915-something to 939mb on the latest recon fix. Odd that max winds have stayed the same despite about 15-20mb pressure rise... Whatever the case, I'm think that dry air entrainment would continue given the pool of dry air to the west... There was recently a convective burst on the west side of the eye, so who knows.... The nice long "feeder band" that existed yesterday south of the storm (extending from the eastern side to the Yucatan) is now gone / evaporated, and there's signs that a "river" of dry air may work its way to the eye, which would definately weaken...
 
Originally posted by Chris Sokol
Interesting tidbit in this mornings advisory:

OCCUPANTS OF HIGH-RISE BUILDINGS WITHIN THE
HURRICANE WARNING AREA CAN EXPECT HIGHER WINDS THAN THOSE
EXPERIENCED AT THE SURFACE...ABOUT ONE SAFFIR-SIMPSON CATEGORY HIGHER AT THE TOP OF A 30-STORY BUILDING.

I never really thought about this before.

I saw that too Chris and thought the same thing. One whole Cat higher?
 
Levee heights

Levee heights along the Mississippi River-Gulf Outlet and Intracoastal Waterway in the area range from 17.5 to 19 feet. Butler's estimates put the 100-year flood level at 16.3 feet above sea level, meaning waves on top of that would wash over the top and flood areas inside.

http://www.nola.com/washingaway/risk_5.html

A surge of 10 - 16 ' + high tide + wave action = Big test for levee system

Ivan appears to be right on track with the latest forcast point, confirming the northward turn
 
If its just waves crashing over the levees NO is probably ok. The pumps can handle that kind of water. Now, if the levees are broken by the wave action, or they are totally overtopped the pumps will not be able to keep up. The pumps wouldn't even matter, it would be like pumping the Atlantic into the Pacific.
 
Originally posted by Jeff Snyder
This huge chunk of dry air has progressively been getting wrapped into the circulation, with the leading edge now being in the southeast quadrant of the storm.

Might extend further into the system than this. Microwave imagery shows a lack of precip wrapping all the way around:

http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/real-tim...sBy12hr_27.html

TLH sounding still showing plenty of deep moisture moving east ahead of the storm (though the upper portions are in Ivan's exhaust), but there is a lot of dry air in the upper atmosphere at SIL moving SEward - so tough to say how close the dry air is really getting to the core region of Ivan. Definitely over the warm core eddy now - so that is good news for the Gulf coast with Ivan currently weakening.

Glen
 
Originally posted by Carrie Halliday

I saw that too Chris and thought the same thing. One whole Cat higher?

Yeah, all the trees, houses, etc... slow the wind down near the ground - so the higher up you go friction has less of an effect to slowing the wind down. Hurricanes have the strongest winds about 500 m above the ground - so the closer you get to this height the stronger the winds will be.

Glen
 
Latest recon / vortex message continues to show the effects of dry air entrainment, as central pressure is up to 940mb, with max flight-level winds of 123kts. This indicates that Ivan is likely down to 110kts at the surface, making it a cat 3. There does appear to be some stronger convection developing and wrapping around the south side of the storm, which may have to stabilize the weakening.

The 1145UTC water vapor loop shows very well this entrainment...
[Broken External Image]:http://www.tornadocentral.com/now/dryentrainmentivan.jpg
 
Originally posted by Chris Sokol
Interesting tidbit in this mornings advisory:

OCCUPANTS OF HIGH-RISE BUILDINGS WITHIN THE
HURRICANE WARNING AREA CAN EXPECT HIGHER WINDS THAN THOSE
EXPERIENCED AT THE SURFACE...ABOUT ONE SAFFIR-SIMPSON CATEGORY HIGHER AT THE TOP OF A 30-STORY BUILDING.

I never really thought about this before.


What if the winds are high category 5 at the surface? We're gonna have a problem here. Innundated New Orleans with violently swaying, and possibly falling buildings. Remember also that the destructive power of water increases exponnentially with depth and speed. Floodwaters can do more damage than an F5 tornado. This combination of wind and water could really be devastating even with a glancing blow. Nobody should be near New Orleans right now. The place should be a ghost town.
 
What if the winds are high category 5 at the surface? We're gonna have a problem here. Innundated New Orleans with violently swaying, and possibly falling buildings. Remember also that the destructive power of water increases exponnentially with depth and speed. Floodwaters can do more damage than an F5 tornado. This combination of wind and water could really be devastating even with a glancing blow. Nobody should be near New Orleans right now. The place should be a ghost town.

It's not that bad. High rise buildings are designed to handle CAT 5 winds. The glass, walls, and furniture might be blown out but the buildings wont be collapsing. Also, the flooding in New Orleans (if it happens) would not be like a flash flood. It would just turn into a big, filthy lake.
 
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