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10/17/07 FCST: TX / OK / KS

I've never been a fan of high shear/low instability days. I'm concerned about struggling towers getting ripped apart or an all-day low, fast, racing gray clouds day, ala March 4, 2004, where the shear is insane but the instability never gets a chance because of convective debris.

From the time I get up until the time we leave, I'll be watching satellite loops, looking for clear areas. That's where I wanna be tomorrow.
 
Chase target for Wednesday, October 17

Chase target:
Alva, OK (50 miles NW of Enid).

Timing and storm mode:
An outbreak of severe storms, including a few tornadoes, appears likely by late Wednesday afternoon. During the mid-morning hours, rain and storms will be ongoing in much of OK and southern KS in areas east of US-283. Partial clearing will follow in the wake of these storms as they move to the northeast of the area during the early afternoon hours. Renewed development of severe storms will take place in the target area by 4 PM CDT.

Synopsis:
A strong late-season system will affect the Plains Border area as SFC cyclogenesis takes place from ERN CO into SWRN KS while the left-exit region of a 90kt H5 speed max rounds the base of the WRN CONUS trough and overspreads the area. At 00Z, LLVL moisture was confined to TX, as indicated by SFC dew points in the mid-60’s along with an ST canopy. A developing LLJ was aiding in the NWRD transport of 10-15C H85 dew points. Overnight, this will strengthen to 50kts and by 18Z Wednesday, an axis of 65F SFC dew points will reach the OK/KS border. Upstream soundings in NM and AZ indicated steep mid-level lapse rates, and differential advection should result in moderate instability despite seasonably limited insolation. The latest model runs have trended towards a slower EWRD advancement of the DL as well as a more SRLY placement of the ULVL features.

Discussion:
Two rounds of convection are forecast for the area. Elevated storms will develop after 06Z over much of OK, KS, and the TX panhandle in a zone of WAA and isentropic up glide in the 300-305K layers as strong large-scale forcing from a lead H5 wave overspreads the area. Steep mid-level lapse rates to 8C/km will contribute towards a threat of large hail with this first round of storms. By 18Z, these storms will move rapidly to the NE while a strong push of dry air at the mid- and upper-levels overspreads the area from SW to NE. Convective debris will exit the area, leaving a broken SC layer. Modest destabilization should commence in the wake of the morning convection E of an advancing DL, and this will set the stage for the development of a second round of severe SFC-based storms.

Moderate instability will couple with very impressive dynamics and LCL levels in the 500-600m AGL range to support an isolated tornado threat. Models suggest a narrow axis of MLCAPEs of 500-1000J/kG in SCNTRL KS, while SFC-6km deep-layer shear of 60-80 kts should be supportive of all types of severe weather. Enhancing the tornado threat will be large; curving hodographs with SFC-2km SRH’s to 300m2/s2 as a 35kt H85 LLJ lifts over backing SFC flow.

- bill
[FONT=&quot]9:45 PM CDT, 10/16/07[/FONT]
 
I am hoping for a storm to fire in the Hobart to Chickasha Oklahoma area tomorrow afternoon. I'm going to target OKC intially. I want to stay well ahead of the dryline and when and if I do move West from there, I'll keep about a two county buffer between me and the dryline. No reason to jump on a storm from the begining with quick storm motions. I'm going to sit back and wait for the storm to mature before I get on it. Anyways, I am planning on getting on a storm coming off the NE side of the dryline bulge with unimpeded inflow. If we do have problems with cloud cover over central Oklahoma, I'll probably scoot my target South.
I'm not willing to say that conditions are going to be very favorable for strong tornadoes tomorrow. I am seriously concerned about the cloud cover/precip, over the warm sector (like everybody else). If we get respectable insolation and instability tomorrow, then I would think tornadic supercells are a good possibility over Oklahoma with a couple strong tornadoes possible. I would go 15% hatched on tornado probs if I was SPC. I posted a brief forecast on my blog if anybody is interested http://loadedgunchasing.com/blog.html
Best of luck to anybody heading out tomorrow.
 
I won't rehash what has already been written, but I have a few other thoughts:

First, the 00Z NAM slightly under-analyzed the surface dewpoints over the S. Plains. The 60 F isodrosotherm is along the Red River in the NAM run, whereas it is oriented along I-40 (give or take) per the 00Z surface observations. However, the 00Z RUC analyzed the dewpoint field much better, with the 65 F isodrosotherm roughly along I20 in north Texas. The RUC forecast is correspondingly more bullish with moisture (and subsequent instability) in its forecast for 12Z Wed. It will be interesting to see what bearing (if any) this will have on tomorrow's event.

Second, related to the first, is that an earlier transport of moisture would do two very-beneficial things (at least, for the chaser):
a.) Increase the potential instability by increasing water vapor mixing ratios (i.e., increase the potential release of latent heat).
b.) Diffuse the temperature and moisture gradient which would decrease isentropic lift (somewhat).

Otherwise, I'm not overly concerned with grunge convection because it could be beneficial in generating outflow boundaries to serve as a convective focus (not to mention adding vorticity through baroclinic generation). In my observation, elevated convection can either be very helpful (e.g., 10/9/01) or very harmful (c.f. just about any forgettable big-hype day), depending on whether or not convective debris mixes out in time for significant destablilization to occur. So, in this sense, I must agree with Kevin's assessment that we will probably have to wait until 12 p.m. tomorrow to really know one way or the other.

Finally, would really like to see the short-wave trough slow down a bit. I think that this early timing may be the only real fly in the ointment, since instability and shear would both be maximized with a slower wave (not to mention increase the likelihood of a favorable storm mode).

Gabe
 
Really looking forward to seeing what tomorrow looks like when i wake up..since i live in the MDT risk area it'll be fun to see how it unfolds.
 
Man, I can't help but have a very sour feeling about tomorrow, at least in terms of a significant tornado event... It just seems like the trough axis and vort max are too fast and/or too far east relative to the dryline. Where the best instability is likely to develop by mid-late afternoon ahead of the dryline, deep-layer shear profiles will likely be 30-40kts and low-level will be comparatively weaker. This would be fine if we had stronger instability, but 1000-1500 j/kg CAPE with 35kts 0-6km shear doesn't get me too excited. In addition, as others have noted, the 850mb flow is forecast to veer to southwest ahead of the dryline, which, per forecast soundings, advects in much drier air immediately above the surface. On the good side, sites like OKC END and ADM show better low-mid level lapse rates, but moisture quickly decreases above the surface in some locales. I've chased in those types of environments before, and I've tended to see little but struggling TCu that can't do much owing to mixing. So, along the dryline by mid-late afternoon, there'll likely be marginal deep-layer shear and poor low-level moisture profile, despite the relatively larger CAPE. For example, look at the 00z OKC forecast sounding from this evening's 00z NAM.

A little farther east (say near TUL CNU and MLC), the mid-level flow will be southwesterly as it will be downstream of the trough axis. However, models continue to indicate that poor instability will characterize these areas. Another forecast sounding -- 00z TUL forecast sounding -- note the marginal instability and unimpressive low-level thermo profile. Of course, the low-level lapse rates will be almost entirely dependent upon extent of elevated convection and extent of insolation, but that's nothing that we haven't known for the past couple of days.

Looking through everything, I'm really torn. To the south, the 21z GLE sounding shows a pretty good thermo and instability profile, but that quickly shifts eastward by 5:30-6:30 pm. If you can stand the trees, LBR in northeastern TX looks good by 00z (HERE). Logistics could be quite difficult in northern TX given storm moving quickly to the northeast and, as such, bringing the Red River into play. To the north of OKC, ICT doesn't look too bad, but mid-level flow weakens quite a bit and, subsequently, has relatively marginal deep-layer shear.

Looking at 0z model output, I'm find it extremely difficult to pinpoint a target at this time. Logistics are going to play an important role tomorrow given storm motion, and real-time data might be very helpful given possibility of scattered to widespread elevated convection and cloudcover that may require chasers to find the needle in the haystack. My current plan is to stick around OKC and hope that a target becomes more clear by noon. It could be a relatively early start; I wouldn't be surprised to start chasing at 18z in western OK and end up east of TUL by 0z. I'm not necessarily thinking it'll be a bust, but my concerns are mounting sufficiently to make me doubt a significant tornado event. Cloud-cover, elevated convection, early start of sfc-based convection, drying just off the surface moving over the warm sector, fast movement of trough axis (or at least the change from SW to W flow at 500mb) to the east of the dryline by early afternoon, etc. I want to play N of I40 given terrain considerations, but I also feel that the best shot for significant tornadoes will be S of I40, mainly in southeastern OK and northeastern TX. In my experience, N TX is fine chase territory W of Paris, but becomes progressively more tree-filled to the east of Paris. I've chased in SE OK a few times, but road options become quite limited (and very non-gridded) quickly, which could make the effort to follow a storm moving 45-50mph to the northeast futile.

EDIT: Perhaps it's a good omen that there are two very healthy supercells with hook echoes S of AMA along I27 right now!
 
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Im far away from where the action will be but nevertheless, im watching closely. I have a found a few interesting things that made an eyebrow rise and have me wondering and thought i might share.
One is the orientation of the 500 mb vort max. In oklahoma it is predicted to be oriented nearly horizontal as opposed to it more often vertically. Second is that the vort max overtakes the area from the south, then re-overtakes the same area again from the north. I must say this combination is somewhat unusual to me and dont have much of an idea as to what this will bring.
I am quite jellous of you guys that get to go. Be safe and good luck.
 
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Based off the latest NAM run, I'd put myself is SE OK/extreme N Texas. The problem with the northern target, IMO, shear too (close to being) uni-directional and poor instability. At this point, Kansas looks dead to me.
 
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I am looking at Chickasha as early target...gives me lots of options as far as roads. Going to chance that there will be a clearing area developing from SW Oklahoma...a roll of the dice, to be sure, but thats part of the game.
 
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Agreed with the 4KM WRF. Right now the same concerns as everyone else...but I'm beginning to be a tad optimistic about things tommorow. I'm debating on my plans for tomorrow but I think the best course of action will be to hang tight here in Norman and try to figure things out by noonish tomorrow. I'm favoring south and west towards Lawton-CHK or so.
 
I must say...the latest 4km WRF paints a very ominous picture for central Oklahoma. It seems to depict a double dryline structure with storms firing near the I-35 corridor by mid-late afternoon and then along the bon-a-fide dry punch coming into W. OK shortly thereafter. Another thing is that the high-res model seems to indicate some backing of the sfc winds with the approach of the dryline across OK. This may be due to the deepening SW KS sfc. low and strong jet energy carving overhead. Either way, if the WRF is to be believed, and it seems like the GFS has been trending that way now, central OK watch out. This includes the OKC metro for tomorrow evening. Oh yea, forgot to mention the impressive dryline bulge forecast to punch into the metro by 7pm..yikes! Latest SPC has the MDT further east, however, I wouldn't be surprised to see that edged back to the west by morning. A lot will depend, of course, on what happens overnight

Plus, its not every day that you see a tornado watch hoisted for W. OK and the TX panhandle at 1:30 in the morning on an October night!

As for morning convection, based on model trends and current happenings I agree with the other posters that this may not be as significant of an issue as it's cranked out to be. It appears that at least the precipitation should clear out of the region by mid-morning.

Everything else just needs to be watched and monitored.
 
Major tornado outbreak today OK,KS

I base my thoughts tonight on the new 0Z 4KM WRF blend of GFS, and CMC. I now expect a major tornado outbreak in Oklahoma & Kansas during the daylight hours.

The area from central and northern Oklahoma will have the highest threat for tornados. The models are now suggesting there may be several rounds of tornadoic lines across central & N-OK & S-KS during the afternoon hours.

If the convection moves into Kansas during the late morning as the models now suggest. This may allow for 4-6 hours of heating ahead of the dryline. If this happens then I would expect significant tornado across central and northern OK moving into S/KS during the late afternoon hours.

Long track tornados are likely this afternoon. I like the area just to the left of the 500 mb jet core cross’s the dryline in WC-NC Oklahoma.

Please be careful if you chase today.

:eek:
 
I agree.. CHILL everyone... this mornings storms already appear to be moving out ahead of the dry line and area where the storms will fire presently at 4am and dont appear quite as widespread! Also of key note, Moisture depths and thickness is really nice.. When you have a dewpoint of 68 in Norman at 4am on October 17... Something is up!! Right now I believe the triple point is being underplayed as well by the SPC and would feel just fine doing Southern Kansas from Med Lodge to Hutchison... Obviously the Dry Line in Western and Central OK is just fine too and could easily produce many long lived tornadic supercells.

I firmly believe the SPC should have its threats pulled back a bit to the west also, as updates go on throughout the day!

Happy chasing everyone and enjoy this rare October treat!
 
Good Morning! My plans are still to head toward the TUL and PNC areas this afternoon. In my opinion, if I wanna see storms during the daylight hours, I need to head west about 3-4 hours. If not, I could stay in Spfld, work all day and chase in the dark. I expect long track, violent supercells to be in central Oklahoma by 1pm and work there way NE and E across much of the northeast corner of the state. TD will approach 70 in some areas, but realistically be in the mid 60's in most locations. It looks to be a potentiallt deadly situation across parts of Oklahoma, Kansas, and especially Missouri and Arkansas overnight. Chaser's be same and be aware of storm motions! !
 
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