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10/14/07 FCST: TX/OK/KS

Looks like a nice set up for a Sunday chase. looked better with previous model runs where the 850mb jet was backed from the SSE as opposed to the SSW-SW flow that models prog for Sunday evening now. I honestly don't see a big tornado threat out of this. Sorry to rain on the parade but I think large hail and damaging winds will be the primary threat unless the low level jet is SSE or SE come Sunday evening. Everything else is in place so lets hope the models swing back to there previous solution with the LLJ. Also, I think I am going to quit looking at models until the morning of the event. They have been blowing things way out of proportion lately for anything that is more than 48 hours out and then it becomes a big disapointment when the chase day comes into play. Right now, I hate the models.
 
Things pushing a little back further to the south now. FWIW, the LLJ per 0z WRF starts to back to the SE near 0z close to the surface low. I actually think there are a few options for Sunday. I think a few tornadoes are possible north and northeast of the surface low, early on (maybe in E CO near the upper low?, 0-3km CAPE and sunshine will be a major factor)...possibly as early as noon MDT on Sunday. Then convection might possibly fire eastward near the warm front, then later.. southward along the dryline as the cap continues to weaken. The better td's and instability, may be down along the dryline into Oklahoma, coupled with the better shear also. I may try to wake up very early and play the surface low, then move east then back south, and hope to catch the next show. I'm not sure it's possible, and I don't really know why I am even thinking about this 48 hours out! lol. I'm probably totally wrong. My .02 cents.
 
Other than the fact that anyone who chases tommorow will probley need to put on their rockets boosters to keep up with the storms im happy to see the NAM and GFS come together as they have on the last run. The NAM is now showing the low where the GFS has been showing the low now over S KS and drifting eastward. Both models have 850mb winds back out of the south ahead of the front which is good because yesterday both models were hinting at the 850mb veering out of the sw ahead of the front. Another thing that I have noticed is that over the last couple of days the GFS has been the more agressive model with this system while the NAM seemed to be taking more of a conservative approach. After checking the models this morning it looks as if the models have flip floped with the NAM now looking alot like the GFS from yesterday. It has the low in SW KS instead of NC KS now and at 999mb instead of 1006mb. Also with the NAM looks like sfc lvl winds will be backing nicely across most of KS and OK. THe GFS has the low at 1008mb now pretty much in the same spot as it had it yesterday. I know alot of people are thinking that the things north of the OK/KS border is going to be the big show but I think we have a sleeper in OK and maybe sc KS for tommorow. There should be plenty of afternoon heating in OK and if the NAM verifies the dryling setup up might be too good to pass up. Im tagging along with Mike G. tommorow so ultimatley he makes the final call as to where we head out but if the models hold I think OK will be the big show tommorow. Another play could still be from Great Bend and points southward but I also am not sure about the sfc heating due to cloud cover over the warm sector near the low which is why im sorta leaning to the more southern approach to this event. OK has been really quite this year and they are due so who knows what will happen. SPC has tommorows outlook now at 30% which is high enough for a moderate risk if im correct. This might be my last chase of the year and im glad its coming on a Sunday or else I would be stuck at work watching things unfold on my PC so im getting really excited after seeing the latest model run.
 
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Tough forecast for tomorrow, as I'm sure everyone who is reading this knows. Deep-layer shear appears to be supportive of supercells across most of the warm sector in NE, KS, OK, and even down into TX. Also, as we've known for the past few days, low-level moisture quality will likely be the limiting reagent in our tornado-chase reaction. However, I have a few other concerns:

1. Cloud-cover and its impact on insolation -- Model forecast RH fields indicate that low-level cloud-cover may be a significant inhibitor of surface diabatic heating tomorrow afternoon. I do like that the NAM appears to have backed off a bit in terms of strong isentropic ascent that it had been forecasting across most of OK west of I35. As it stands now, it appears that there will be isentropic ascent across southern KS, though the strongest ascent will, not surpringly, be located north of the warm front across the upper MS River Valley. At least we'll have decent moisture advection (see the 305K isentrope forecast from the 12z NAM valid 36 hrs HERE). Interestingly, both the GFS and NAM appear to forecast subsidence ahead of the cold front central KS -- yuck. This can also be inferred by the backing wind profile near 750mb seen on forecast soundings.

2. Hodograph shape / wind profiles -- Though the overall magnitude of deep-layer shear and orientation of the deep-layer shear vector seems to support supercell mode, I'm worried about some of the S-shaped hodographs being forecast by the models. I've had very bad experience with such hodographs -- supercells tend to have trouble sustaining cyclonic and anticyclonic mesocyclones IMO. As noted above, the models are forecast some backing-with-height / CAA occurring in the 600-800mb layer ahead of the cold front in KS and northwestern OK around 00z. For those locations that do not show this, they at least indicate a nicely-curved hodograph in the <2km AGL layer beneath a straight-line, SW-NE section on the hodograph. This, in turn, is going to create problems for low-level shear. For example, check out the P28 forecast sounding/hodograph from the 12z NAM valid 36hrs. Unfortunately, for a northeast storm motion near 30-35 kts, that hodograph look to yield negative 0-3km SRH, and it could be strongly negative for a left-mover. Yuck.

3. Thermodynamic environment -- forecast soundings indicate significant capping ahead of the dryline and cold front for much of tomorrow afternoon, even at 21 UTC. Between 21 UTC and 00 UTC, the GFS and NAM support rapid removal of the cap, presumably owing to strong ascent from DPVA as the leading edge of the vort max reaches the western edge of the warm sector. Of course, this cooling of the cap layer is also related to some of the above-noted CAA, which is creating less-than-ideal hodographs. The sun sets shortly after 00z tomorrow in most of the risk area, which means that timing may be an issue. If the above-PBL cooling doesn't reach the warm sector until 00z, we're going to be in big trouble for daytime convection.

4. Low-level convergence mechanism -- It appears that the triple point will be located somewhere in the vicinity of west-central OK or the EC TX PH by 00z. This means that forcing in most of KS through the afternoon will be caused by convergence along the cold front. Though the deep-layer shear vector has some component normal to the front, I generally strongly prefer chasing drylines than cold fronts. This helps substantiate my preference for staying OK tomorrow.

Overall, I'm favoring western OK. I expect storms to develop along the dryline and front by mid-afternoon, where the cap should weaken earliest (cooling aloft occurs and surface insolation is greatest -- see 21z sounding from 12z NAM valid at GAG). Unfortunately, the low-level shear immediately along the front and dryline is meager, so I don't think we'll see decent tornado threat until the storms can move deeper into the warm sector. Of course, if cloud cover blankets the warm sector for most of the day tomorrow, we can expect CAPE to be quite marginal, which may not allow supercells to thrive in this stonger-shear environment.


I also think that there may be a bimodal severe event tomorrow, with the most significant severe thread either along the dryline in western OK or to the northeast of the sfc low in northeastern KS and southcentral/southeastern NE (if the NAM verifies, I suppose).
 
I just updated my blog with a forecast for those that are interested http://loadedgunchasing.com/blog.html

Basically, I think the tornado potential took a big dive with the weaker and veering 850mb flow on this morning 12Z NAM run. The good shear was the main thing I thought this setup had going for it, but it ain't so good anymore. Insolation ahead of the dryline is my other big concern. I still think the good deep layer shear and CAPE combinations will be adequate for supercells, but I just don't think they'll carry much of a tornado threat. I like the area over SW Oklahoma, but I'm not going to drive that far for this mediocre of a setup. I'm going to target Dodge City tomorrow. I think this is the best compromise of deep layer shear, instability, and proximity to ICT. I'm thinking there may be a few weak tornadoes tomorrow, but I'm not expecting much. I can't complain about a chance to get out chasing in October though. Best of luck to anybody who chases.
 
If you believe the GFS currently it doesn't look too bad for SW Oklahoma. Some have mentioned the lack of veering at the h85 level, but the SW Oklahoma area has a southerly h85 wind with great backing at the surface. Large scale windfields look quite conducive for supercells. If the CAPE values can be realized as advertised (on the order of 2000 j/kg) things might get interesting. I really like the surface low setting up in the SE Texas panhandle, wrapping the surface winds around from the southeast and jacking up the LL veering. I've had some fun days with this type of setup. If you can get really good shear (which it seems we will) cool things can happen in an otherwise average situation. If things stay consistent through tomorrow morning, I'll be heading west on OK70 to the Altus area.
 
Well I just got done glancing over the 00Z run of the NAM and I think I'll be changing my target. I was thinking about playing the dryline, but I just don't think the storms will be able to tornado down there (maybe in SW-Wcentral Oklahoma they will). I am going to play just NE of the surface low along the wind shift instead. If the NAM is to be believed, 850mb winds will be backing along the front. Typically in this type of closed low situation you get backing low level winds along the warm front, but you also get backing mid level winds. The NAM isn't showing this though. 500mb winds are out of the SW just because the mid level low is barely closed, so it isn't wrapping around. The shear vector is out of the SW, which should be normal enough to the boundary to have storms move away from it. With storm motions around 30kts, I think there will be enough residence time for storms along the front to tornado before moving out of the better instability. We'll see, but I think that is the better play for tornado potential tomorrow. Right now I think this setup only constitutes a low end tornado threat. If I was forecasting at SPC (we're all lucky I don't) I would go 5% on the tornado probability by the surface low and along the front and 2% along the dryline.

edit - the Concordia forecast sounding is showing 1km SRH at 240. Salina is showing 1km SRH at 160, which is also respectable. I am thinking the area along the front should realize 1km SRH >200, which brings my hope up slighly for a tornado or two tomorrow. Here is the link to the forecast sounding for Concordia. http://beta.wxcaster.com/cgi-bin/parse_skewt_trace_overlays.cgi?fcsthr=024&STATIONID=_KCNK
 
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Last night's forecast still looks solid with the latest run. Overall shear is there for supercells, which is a good start. I am still seeing that surface/mesolow feature in NW Texas that veers the surface winds nicely in SW Oklahoma. The 13Z outlook mentions SW Oklahoma as the best area for isolated sups/tornadoes later today, so I'm fairly confident with my assessment (always a good feeling to know the guys that get paid for this stuff are thinking what you're thinking). All we need now is some clearing ahead of the CF/DL to jack the instability a bit. Still a marginal setup but the potential is definitely there for a nice late year treat. Will continue to monitor through the morning hours and be set to roll by noon or so.
 
I agree Shane -- I also like SW OK. The latest 12z NAM shows the cold front near a LBB-CDS-SLN line by 00z, which seems quite a bit farther south than previous runs (which had the cold front near I40 in the TX panhandle). The positively-tilted nature of this trough/low may be what's behind that minor change (weaker ageostrophic accelerations result in less adjustment to the low-level mass and kinematic fields, i.e. weaker pressure falls in the Plains, etc).

Forecast hodographs don't really show the big S-shape that they showed earlier, but they also indicate relatively weak 700mb flow along and just ahead of the front and dryline, and I see much more in the way of straight-line hodographs across much of the area. I'm not a big fan of chasing on a cold front when a dryline is within reach, and the NAM shows a low down near CDS that looks to back the winds invof the Red River. With 55-65kt 0-6km shear and ~2000 j/kg, I'm looking forward to some good supercells. The tornado threat may be mitigated a bit by low-level shear, which I didn't expect would be a problem today when I looked at model forecasts a couple of days ago (and even yesterday). With the absence of widespread cloud-cover in the warm sector (well, at least it's BKN rather than OVC in most areas), I'm happy that CAPE shouldn't be the primary limiting factor (at least in western OK and NW TX).

At any rate, I'm likely heading out the door towards the LTS area relatively soon (stopping in OUN to join up w/ the rest of my usual chase group). I may end up anywhere from Shamrock to CDS and eastward. EMC 4km WRF shows squall line mode until after 00z, when that breaks up into discrete storms. Tail-end charlie play? Too bad the sun sets shortly after 00z...
 
I too am headed towards altus, I'm reasoning that if something does go to the north then I'd rather approach from the south than the other way around. I am somewhat concerned with the thickening stratus. I got a few sprinkles while passing through Chickasha. Hopefully the cloudcover will clear and allow for heating in time. I have the dash cam active today at http://cps.okstorms.com
 
The latest OUN AFD paints an interesting picture. Also interesting to notice that OUN has created their own MDT risk area on their graphical page for SW Oklahoma.
 
Initiation has just started. It seems there is already some hail detected neer Cherokee, OK, and south of Medecine Lodge, KS.

There is a zone of 2000 j/kg directly in the initiation zone. Shear and Helicity are not too good for the moment, but models are forecasting an increase. It looks like helicity will be good for tonight. I believe in some great supercells around 2100Z.
 
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