TIV

I'm sure the subject of the TIV must be pretty tiresome to most of you, but I thought I would make myself available to anyone who had any lingering questions, comments, or light insults. I've read most of the conversations regarding the TIV and thought it would be nice to clear the air a bit.

Sean
 
Cool! I appreciate the opportunity, Sean -- thanks! I'll start the ball rolling.

Obviously there's a news, publicity, and sensational value that comes with using the TIV for chasing instead of a "normal" vehicle. No doubt it helps to sell video and get sponsors. Nothing wrong with that....

But you're also affiliated with several meteorologists including, if I remember right, Dr. Josh Wurman. What if any are your scientific protocols and objectives? What sort of instrumentation are you using and what data are you collecting? Are there any specific research objectives with the aim of publication being pursued?
 
For those of you who don't know who this guy is...

Sean Casey is the creater and driver of the TIV-

Tornado Intercept Vehicle.

What is it?

Its a vehicle he designed to get very close to tornado cores to collect large format motion picture film of tornadoes.

Is he crazy?

That's for you to decide. I admire him for following his passion in life.

Tim Samaras
 
Are you working on a second generation TIV as was suggested in the book "Big Weather"?

Scott Currens
 
Hi Sean.

Obviously (as most if not all members) saw the piece National Geographic did on you and Josh Wurman. To be straight up and honest here... I think your probably about half nuts on this venture. :)

Now that I have that out of the way, I have to admire your spirit to get that shot that no one else has. As a budding videographer, I think I can understand to a small degree what drives you to get out and do this. Joining forces with Josh Wurman and the DOW Team was one of the better moves you made and lends some credence to what you are doing.

There's been lots of debate in the chasing community about the wisdom of doing what you are attempting to do. I can see three different angles here.

1. Money - To a Cinematographer, thats the key. That's how you put bread on the table. IMAX is known for getting the shots in BIG splendor that no one else has.

2. To be in the books as doing something no on else has done before.

3. Actually contribute to science.

The wisdom side comes in when others see this. Most of us have enough sense that we won't attempt it. Even with the research you've put into it, I don't think this is my cup of tea. However, others (as testified by the Gator Borothers, I can't remember their real names) are going to get out there after seeing something like this and get themselves or others killed or injured.

On that note, tell us more about what you are doing. Straight from the horses mouth so to speak. Let's hear it in your own words and not a PR speech.

I'm really curious. This isn't some frivolous post trying to trip you up or ridicule you. I'm really curious. Especially if I encounter you in my little neck of the woods. I might even hit you up about IMAX Cinematography!

John Diel

[edit] Can't type worth a darn and others jumped right on this didn't they?
 
What's your opinion of Steve Green? How would you describe the TIV project as opposed to the Tornado Attack project?
 
I also would like to know your opinion on the T.A.V (Tornado Attack Vehicle), this recently came to my attention from one of my associates. I am not sure what has happened, but I would like t osee your thoughts of it.
 
Sean,

Thanks for dropping by. A couple of quick questions:

Will you be out in 2006 and have you made any changes to the vehicle or operating procedure?

When do you expect to do the IMAX film? I am sure you already have some great footage.

Bill Hark
 
Please forgive the following reply as I've had three glasses of wine.

I haven't figured out how to copy people's comments from their original posts, so bear with me (I'm not very bright, as you will see, or have seen).

John wanted words from the "horse's mouth" as to what my intentions are...without the "pr" crap.

I'm trying to capture what I see as one ot the most amazing things that happens on our planet with what I think is the best medium for doing so, the Imax format. I love it out there, and it will sound goofy, but it is being as close to heaven as I have ever experienced.

I can't see finishing this film without getting the shot of a tornado coming toward us and then impacting our postition. How else could I relay how incredible a tornado is. I see the footage that Tim S. has gotten and it's fantastic, utterly beautiful, and if I could do that with the camera I have access too...

I'm out there to bring back the feeling I get while I'm out there, to pass that on to people that see the film I hope to do.

David wanted to know about the instruments..we have a sonic anemometer, and devises for measuring pressure, temp, and humidity. This is all for Josh Wurman, whatever makes him happy makes me happy. We wouldn't be doing what we are doing without him.


Scott asked about a second generation of the TIV... I just had my first child...and to make a second TIV without outside money would take to much of my time. TIV was always intended to be a prototype, to test different systems against the reality of the road. I wish I had started the project with what I know now. At least TIV wouldn't look so ugly.

I am working on converting Toyota Tundra into a support vehicle for this next year. Complete with a turret over the "camper shell", so that when TIV breaks down again we can throw the camera into it. Or if we don't get funding we'll just take it out and leave the TIV rusting back in LA.

Andrew asked about my thoughts on the TAV...I think Steve Green would make for a fascinating documentary.

I appreciate the questions, I love strom chasing as you all do, and have no intentions of making it into a circus only in trying to get the footage the best I know how, images that will honor what we love to do.

Ooops, I got sappy in the end, ah well...

sean






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Hey Bill,

The film will be out in '09 as the spine of the film is about VORTEX2. If V2 has anymore delays then we will try to fund a "mini-V2" to give the film a structure based on science.

If TIV goes out this year she will have the ability to lower all of the way to the ground, new paint, and new air fresheners.

It all depends on Discovery Channel right now.

sean
 
I think there was alot of confused people in the past ,getting T.A.V and T.I.V. mixed up . Which created alot of the mis-directed comment's in the past couple years. Thankfully it seems this is getting corrected...

When and how did you get drawn to the force?

Glad to see you come on Sean... Welcome aboard
 
The TIV has nothing on this :p

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Haha, Sean, I'm glad it's you doing it and not me 8). I think I'll admire mother nature from a bit further back.
 
If Sean will post after a few glasses of wine, I will post after a few beers....

First impressions, first impressions. Mine was that "whoever" was the person responsible for the TIV had to be a total moron, having heard that the idea is to punch a nader. I mean, you shoulda heard me laugh.

I'm about as non-judgemental as anyone, but what else was supposed to be my reaction the first time I saw that monstrosity?

Well, having seen the NG production, and Sean's posts here, I am eating crow (once again).

Kudos to ya, Sean. Good luck, and the next time our paths cross, I hope you don't mind that I come up and ask to shake your hand.

Here's a pic (g/f) Floss took of the TIV on June 10, 2004 in Nebraska. I'm embarrassed now that I didn't say "Hi", but you were busy anyway:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/515456...402209967RCtnfZ

I'm the dork in the yellow shirt. Sexy legs, huh? Hahahahahaha

Bob
 
Originally posted by Sean Casey
I'm sure the subject of the TIV must be pretty tiresome to most of you, but I thought I would make myself available to anyone who had any lingering questions, comments, or light insults. I've read most of the conversations regarding the TIV and thought it would be nice to clear the air a bit.

Sean

Hi I am fairly new to this forum ( this may have been posted before) do you have a web address for the project?
 
John wanted words from the "horse's mouth" as to what my intentions are...without the "pr" crap.

I'm trying to capture what I see as one ot the most amazing things that happens on our planet with what I think is the best medium for doing so, the Imax format. I love it out there, and it will sound goofy, but it is being as close to heaven as I have ever experienced.

I can't see finishing this film without getting the shot of a tornado coming toward us and then impacting our postition. How else could I relay how incredible a tornado is. I see the footage that Tim S. has gotten and it's fantastic, utterly beautiful, and if I could do that with the camera I have access too...

I'm out there to bring back the feeling I get while I'm out there, to pass that on to people that see the film I hope to do.

Sean,
Welcome to the Zen of chasing. Though I would remind you that it's a better experience sober :)

I think you hit upon one of the areas that we, as chasers, don't always articulate very well. That's the beauty and majesty of Nature. We tend to get hung up in the equipment (at least us Gadget Mongers do) and the ethics, and all the little way side things and forget about the real meaning of chasing to each of us. I really believe it's about what you said. It means something different to each of us and how we capture it or view it, or even think about it is unique and individual as each person out on the road.

Keep us informed of your ventures. Put in your reports. Learn from some of the Masters of forecasting on this site. I don't think anyone here will ridicule you or your mission anymore. You have the pride and fortitude to come on here and let us "Have at you". Not everyone does that.

Welcome to the ST family and keep on chasing!

John Diel
 
Bob..I completly understand your first impression of the TIV. It is silly in a way, how can one take oneself seriously when you're driving a homebrew tank and in every town you drive through you feel that you should be announcing the arrival of the carnival with a PA system. Plus I usually have at least one serving of crow each day.

Helen..we have a website, but I'm a bit embarrassed by it's roughness. But have a look, it's at imaxtornado.com. It's out of date as it proclaims a mission statement that I should clear up right now...

At the time the site was put up Josh Wurman wanted me to make clear that if we were chasing with the DOW trucks we would not try to intercept any tornados. Josh's DOW mission at the time was to scan storms from a distance of 2 to 4 miles with dual doppler. At that distance it is hard to get accurate readings of wind speeds closer to the ground, due to interverence with ground clutter and the resolution of the radar.(I think this is mostly right, if I'm wrong then I'll at least get another serving of crow when Josh calls.) Josh wasn't able, under this game plan to give us wind speeds of a tornado that both he and we felt comfortable risking our lives with.

Josh's mission changed this last year which our website doesn't reflect. The DOWs would focus on recording near ground wind fields at a distance of less than one mile. At this range he felt comfortable in leading us into, or near a tornado with winds less than 60 m/s. We also have other safety guidlines that the DOW/TIV mission follow. If we lose radio contact and don't get a report from Josh after 20 seconds, we abort. If the tornado shows signs of strengthening, we abort.

This is not to say that I feel completely safe doing this. I know there are risks to this activity, risks that will never be completely subdued no matter how many safety guide lines we implement, other than to stay at home.

Anyway, I appreciate the warm "welcome" to your club and look forward to seeing you all this spring. If there are any concerns/ideas about how the TIV might make for a better member on the road, let me know.

sean
 
Sean,

Since the first day I saw the TIV (and, I'm sorry to admit, couldn't stop laughing for about 5 minutes), I've always wondered if this vehicle is street legal. If so, what steps did you go about ensuring that is was? Do you need a special license to drive it?

Also, who is funding your research?


greg
 
Thanks Tim, glad to finally answer some of the questions out there, I would have done so sooner but didn't know this site existed until Josh told me to visit it three weeks ago. I'm trying to get up to speed...

The TIV is street legal. The D.O.T. is very liberal in what it allows on the road. It has to be less than eight feet wide, have head and tail lights above a certain hieght, and that's about it. I could send you a rough sketch if you want to build your own.

We're not funded by anyone, just me, except for last year when Nat Geo footed the bill.

sean
 
Sean - welcome ... first of all, congratulations on the new addition to your family. Your baby will always be your finest achievement.

To be honest, when I first laid eyes on the TIV out on the plains, I looked at my brother and rolled my eyes pretty hard - especially after seeing just about the full gamut of what these storms are capable of out there. And then, as you know, there was just all kinds of discussion among chasers, both in and out of the forums.

The NGC special was pretty helpful to get a little clearer perspective on how your operation with Dr. Wurman worked, especially once I saw how he was able to estimate surface winds by comparing the data he was gathering from higher in the tornado. I have to admit that I'm not yet completely sold on the ultimate safety factor of the project, but feel like the NGC special did a lot to dispel some of the worst fears - and it also let us see that your passion fuels you the same as it does the rest of us. There's no doubt that you are compelled by the very same 'forces of nature' that drives any chaser.

I was curious about the ultimate plan for the project - and whether you would go back to normal chasing if you managed to obtain the footage of your dreams, or continue to make attempts to trump the last intercept ... any chance of going back to a more conventional chase experience once you bag "the ONE?"

Like every other chaser alive on the planet, I will be the first in line at the nearest IMAX anytime your films are completed and up on the screen. Looking forward to seeing one - and hope to get a chance to run into each other and chat on the road one of these days.
 
Hey Mike,

I'd love to just take a 4x4 truck out to chase in and leave the TIV behind. It's such a pain to drive, fix, and explain. I don't think that I'd ever be able to chase without an Imax camera or equivalent, it would seem like such a waste to go out there without some camera to bring back the best possible image.

I'll find some excuse to bring out a big camera after "Tornado Alley" is done but not the TIV. I hope I can do a better job than I did in "Forces of Nature" I feel I totally messed up in trying to convey the reality of storm chasing.

sean.
 
Welcome Aboard

Good day, Sean

Nice to have you aboard Stormtrack!

The TIV in my opinion I found to be a pretty thought out and well put together vehicle. I heard many laught about it, but that's just their opinion. It does not have to look "pretty", after all, is a military tank pretty? But ... As long as it gets the job done it what matters.

I remember seeing the TIV out on June 12, 2005 in Texas and then read about "TIV collected in-situ HD / IMAX video" from the DOW project sites ... Cannot remember which one. I am sure the video of the "corner region" of one of those tornadoes on the 12th must be second to none, and similar to Tim Samaras's media probes!

Last year in Nebraska I saw the TIV parked behind the motel, I did a walk around like I was a kid in a candy store ... The seat harnesses, camera turret, bullet-proof glass ... You sure put quite a bit of work and effort into it.

We are all happy to see you on here as I am sure you have already got a lot of questions.

Anyway, keep up the good work, whether its for video, film, and / or science - And stay safe and good luck!

Chris C - KG4PJN
 
Format isn't what conveys chasing, what you put in front of the camera is. Getting so focused on technology will always skew the artisitc view IMO.
 
Welcome Sean! My favorite part of the Nat Geo special was the the irony of you guys passing a military Light Armored Vehicle (LAV) in the TIV.

The first video I saw of TIV was in a Mike Hollingshead DVD in 2004. Since then it has been a mystery until I ran upon the TIV/DOW team in Garden City, KS May 11th, 2005. Im not sure who I spoke to about the TIV but he was very nice, approachable and patient with questions. I was impressed.

Best of luck Sean, hope to see the Tornado Tundra out there this year.
 
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