Storm chaser hit by tornado today?

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Doug,

I'm not 100% positive, but I assume I was one of the vehicles in the mini-convoy that tried to you referred to in your REPORTS post. Does the following look right (from my GPS log) --> http://www.tornadocentral.com/now/05292008_tornado.png ?

Yea, you were a few cars ahead of us then. We turned around because of that bad road and we went back west to the intersection and got hit as we sat there. I didn't have my camera rolling either. Tried to get the funnel but there wasn't enough light. The funnel was beautiful though. Long thick elephant trunk about 2/3rds the way to the ground when I saw it. Never saw ground contact though because of the trees to our south. Oh well, lesson learned. Glad to hear you made it through alright as well.
 
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Looking at the last couple of weeks of chase reports..it's clear that there was A LOT of close calls.
(Mine just one of many: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJbz0EuUSlA )

What stood out this year from past years seem to be the fast motion of the storms, HP nature, poor visibility, and rotten primary road network which forced you to get up close and personal on muddy roads if you wanted to see anything. With a 1000 chasers chasing wedges in the dark-not surprising there was a few minor incidents. What has been and will continue to be the principal hazard while chasing is the risk of hydroplaning. I bought new tires this year right before I left for chasing...excellent investment in my own safety!
 
All of a sudden I feel less whiny about our pheasant "experience" yesterday. Good to hear that you guys are alive.
 
I think my favorite part about this thread is that the person involved is actually talking about it so the rest of us can learn. In the past there have been incidents/accidents and damage control was immediately in full force so that no details got out. Not quite sure why other than perhaps they felt their reputations were on the line, who knows. Regardless, I'm glad everyone is fine and thanks to Doug for actually sharing his experience.
 
Last year myself and some others got caught on the outer fringe of a tornado's circulation when chasing in Texas. Luckily we were on an interstate with the ability to quickly get out of the way. The reason for our mishap, we lost radar data and looking at radar we thought the storms were much further south which would have allowed us plenty of time to get east, in reality we lost radar data and those storms were much further north and closer to the interstate than we though.

It's an experience I shared last year after it happened, can't say I'm ashamed that it happen and definitely learned some lesson's that day.
 
I can't speak for everyone but I can assure that getting "the money shot" was not the motive for several reasons.

Doug, I hope my comments were not inappropriate. I didn't intend to be insensitive to the recent trauma you experienced. Probably I should have just responded to that for now, and perhaps started a new thread sometime to address the issue of chasers getting run over, etc. It was late, and I guess when I first saw the post it just reminded me of the ongoing issue so I threw out some thoughts. I don't mean to cast you guys in a bad way. Like I said, I didn't know about your circumstances so I really didn't mean to imply it was necessarily related. I am glad you guys are all ok.

It is an interesting topic though, and as many of you have found out, these things do happen. I hope I don't end up in a tornado. I make extensive efforts to avoid - even when very close, but storms have a way of educating all of us. Still a bit off topic, but I wanted to throw out there for the others the issue of straight line wind (microbursts). Often we all just worry about the tornado, but I am aware of two storms that broke telephone poles at the base and larger trees with just straight line winds. One was the storm north of Anson, Tx that I was on, and the other was to the sw of Austin that Randy Denzer and David Douglas saw. It occurs to me that many of us chasers only worry about the tornado, but certainly microbursts can rearrange our lives as well and should be considered / respected around cores.
 
So, we turned around to head back W in hopes of heading S back to Hwy 9 / 24. It was at this time that we noticed an elephant trunk-like funnel to our immediate S, with an occassional ground circulation evident. Noting the danger, we turned back to the south, and we appeared to be glanced by the western edge of the circulation (rapid shift from strong easterly winds to southerly winds as it appeared to pass from the S to E to N to NW of us; 40-45 mph winds max for us).

Jeff, it's interesting that you guys noted the vortex was to the south, but you guys chose to go south. This reminds me of my incident earlier this year near Cross Cut, Tx. I was coming out of a core and trying to avoid the hail / high wind near dark and was determined to break south and get out of the storm as I could see the edge of the storm - 'just a little further' ahead. That's when I saw dirt debris with circulation ahead of me, but continued on anyway. Later talking with Gene Moore he asked why I did that and reminded me that I should have known and realized with favorable tornadic conditions and a severe storm in a tornado watch box that such things were a possibility. He thought my choice to stay a bit further north in the core in Cross Plains would have been better, and I would have to say I now agree. What I encountered ended up being a very weak tornadic circulation and in retrospect perhaps not much to worry about, but at the time a chaser doesn't know this. It is hard to tell if this is just the beginning of the 'show' with yourself as the chaser in the main feature. That's what I was wondering at the time. I was thinking I was likely driving right under the area of tornadic rotation and it probably was still there even though it had lifted, and might just show itself again. I hoped to drive so fast and clear it so fast that it was a non-issue but tornadic circulations can be very large potentially - so my choice was not necessarily a good one. Also I was concerned that it might just decide to drop a really big one right as I drove under it as it was just 'warming up'. I really had no guarantees when I made the decision and it was a gamble.

Your situation may have been slightly different. You mention a known primary area of circulation to the north so going north far might not have been good. Seems that also implies that you guys were generally under / near the inflow flank / extended rainfree base. You wonder where the tornado came from, but often such flanks develop secondary areas of rotation even though more minor than primary and often these don't show on radar much at first, but you also mention you didn't have radar at the time.

Anyway these are certainly interesting situations / scenarios to ponder as unique storm scenarios often are.
 
Notwithstanding what everyone keeps saying about the risks of "getting close" to tornadic events - I'm still of the opinion that the real dangers to us out here on the Plains are wrapped up in just being on the road for such extended distances. If you're out here for four weeks (as I am) you'll rack up 15,000 to 20,000 miles - for many people that's their annual driving distance. Statistically, I'm pretty sure that I have a higher probability of being involved in a serious traffic accident or sliding off some of the muddy county roads like last week north of Quinter (or a plane crash on the journey back and forth from New Zealand) than I do of getting seriously injured or killed by a tornado/lightning strike. With all the weather forecasting and tracking gear we carry these days chasing, we have a better handle on what Mother Nature is doing than we do on what some of the idiot drivers are doing on the roads. :-)
 
Jeff, it's interesting that you guys noted the vortex was to the south, but you guys chose to go south. ...

Your situation may have been slightly different. You mention a known primary area of circulation to the north so going north far might not have been good. Seems that also implies that you guys were generally under / near the inflow flank / extended rainfree base. You wonder where the tornado came from, but often such flanks develop secondary areas of rotation even though more minor than primary and often these don't show on radar much at first, but you also mention you didn't have radar at the time.

The ground circulation was E of a N-S road that we figured we might be able to use to stay to the west of it. The tornado appears to have moved NNW towards the area where the unintentional storm chasing convoy was located. We knew the main meso was to the north near Jewell, where significant structural damage was being reported. Again, we figured that, with any eastward movement to the tornado path, we could safely get by to the west of it by driving southward. At the time we first saw it to our S, it reminded me a bit of some of the brief spin-ups that folks drove by on Hwy 160 between Attica and Harper, KS, on 5-12-2004. Of course, this was associated with a fatter elephant trunk funnel aloft. I'll try to pull a vid cap of the funnel when I have a chance later this evening. We would have preferred to have blasted eastward (which is what we were planning on doing), but muddy roads quickly precluded that. We did have escape options to the N, E, and S, though. Unfortunately, E was impassable for us (thick mud), and N was getting closer to the primary meso, which we didn't want to mess with since we didn't know what was in the precip. So, we aimed for the south option.

From a storm structure stand-point, I'm not sure where this tornado came from. The RFD gust front was considerably east of our longitude, and it looked like the primary hook echo and associated cyclonic meso was more than several miles to our north. We talked about the possibility that this was an anticyclonic tornado to the S of the cyclonic meso to our N, but the winds experienced match a cyclonic vortex and don't match the flow pattern of an anticyclonic tornado. This odd storm structure seemed to catch all of us off-guard (assuming Tim Samaras and the mobile mesonet crew wouldn't intentionally position themselves to be hit by a tornado).

Interestingly, if we hadn't seen the funnel, we probably would have continued to make our way south back to Hwy 14 with little consequence, and we may well have attributed the windy conditions to being, well, behind the RFD gust front in a supercell. Instead, when we spotted it to our S, we cautiously waited and crept slowly eastward and southward so as to stay out of its path.

If nothing else, this goes to show that, in the presence of a strong tornadic supercell, always be aware of "side-show tornadoes" or areas of rotation may may occur well removed from the primary meso (even in the south of the primary meso behind the RFD gust front, apparently)! If we had been stupid and were only trying to get up-close video, I'd feel much worse about this. Then again, this thing only side-swiped us (I think we escaped to the west of it). As it was, this run-in seemed less dangerous than some of the close-up wedge video from last week (not to downplay the damage and minor injuries inflicted on Doug and his chase partners!!), though anytime one gets caught off-guard by a tornado in close proximity it is seldom a good thing.

I'm still worried that, eventually, someone will get tagged by a drill press or wedge after getting stuck in mud in the path of the tornado (or having a car breakdown that precludes them from driving out of the path). With as wet and muddy as some of the roads in NE and KS have been recently, the threat of getting stuck on a muddy road and nailed by (a) massive hail or (b) a significant tornado is enhanced quite a bit.
 
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I guess I will throw in my 2 cents on this topic. After initially hearing about this incident last night I was concerned not only about their safety but about the repercussions that a tragic accident could have on the legality of chasing. I am not trying to be all high and mighty. I too have found myself wanting, and feeling more and more comfortable getting up close. I am not a huge thrill seeker, I am very cautious and conservative but when you do something enough I know first hand that you start to feel comfortable and begin to push the envelop. From what Jeff said however that is probably not the case this time. I have to say, I chased the May 29 2004 storm which took almost the exact same track as last nights tornadic supercell. I got Delome'd as well. There are some awful rounds in and around Mitchell Co.. In 2004 I ended up on a clay road doing 5mph in 4wd Low. In a situation like last night, that probably would have been an awfully bad place to be. I am glad to hear that everyone is alright. What happened last night is one of the inherent dangers of our sport/hobby. I hope that our chase community continues to have luck like this. However, it is no doubt only a matter of time before a tragedy will occur. I try to minimize the risk to me and chasers around me while I am chasing, I have never pushed the envelop to the extreme like I have seen others do this year. I hope everyone will carefully evaluate the risks they are taking to get the 'money shot'. Despite what you might think there are opportunities to safely get close, (without, baseball sized hail, power lines falling on your car, or diving into the tornadic circulation at night. Let's be smart and be safe out there guys.
 
someone mentioned that " ...to be the first to preach safety. More threads, quicker posts, not how it used to be......"

It depends on what your definition of how it used to be is. I've been chasing since 1982 and safety is why I'm still chasing all of these years later.

There is a good article under the Library section here in ST written sometime in the 1990's by Rich Thompson and Roger Edwards. It's called the Cancer Within.

to quote "Finally, and perhaps most importantly, practice storm chase safety and courtesy as mentioned in many earlier issues of Storm Track. Your behavior in the field, especially at NWS offices and near storms, is how chasers are judged."

This was written 10 or more years ago. So no, this is not new, and safety and courtesy out in the field should be something that we keep in mind all day long.

http://www.stormtrack.org/library/chasing/cancer.html
 
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If you are purposely trying to get killed by a tornado just take off all your spotter decals and such that make you look like a spotter beforehand so that they will just think you were another fatality. Then its no foul to the chaser community. :)
 
Rock climbers die, and anyone can still go climb a rock. People skiing die and anyone can still strap on a pair of skis and have at it. Etc, etc, etc. When a chaser dies, we'll all still be able to go watch the stupid sky. Everyone always worries about that and chaser behaviour, but imo, those take a huge back seat to simple numbers clogging up areas.
 
Here is video of the tornado just east of Osborne:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3xO0NZybrs

We weren't hit by it..but our probe caught the southern edge of the circulation. Check out the large circular object rolling on the ground in front of it.

This was the occlusion before the Glenn Elder - north of Belleville tornado.. Almost looked like Mulvane #2 when it first touched down, but with a low tail cloud feature destroying the contrast behind it.
 
Leave it to Reed to change this subject!

Mike, I think you need to learn to play nice with others.:D

I know what you mean about mass convergence, I have come across a few of these cluster******. It will get better, it's just bad timing with all the major outbreaks falling during the peak of chasecation season.
 
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