Stopping to help (or call for help) when pulling up on devastation

Not only can you call in, but initial information such as access to the scene, exact location, number of victims (if any), injury types, entrapments, number of structures damaged / destroyed, hazardous conditions (gas leaks, lines down, etc) are critical information after a disaster that can save lives by determining the level (or not) of the response -- thus focusing priorities. I'm amazed that some chasers are still driving like it's the apocalypse to get a worthless clip that will maybe gather 10 seconds of attention and little if any funding in today's news cycle. This in addition to putting yourself in legal and public jeopardy if something goes wrong. It makes no sense.
 
Just watched interview with Scott Peake on the weather channel with a clip of this tornado, not sure which version. Sounds like he made reports to the NWS, you would hope the appropriate calls were made and helped with first aid if trained.

TWC has a history of candy coating situations like this to make the offenders (if true) look like heroes as they've done with past misbehavior.
 
I have no fundamental disagreement with the previous posts, but I know from experience that it is likely that a call to 911 in a situation like that is probably unnecessary and may contribute to tying up the phone lines when other people have a more urgent need to get through. I haven't seen a significant tornado in the last decade when there weren't hordes of emergency and law enforcement personnel also on scene swarming around the tornado.
 
I have no fundamental disagreement with the previous posts, but I know from experience that it is likely that a call to 911 in a situation like that is probably unnecessary and may contribute to tying up the phone lines when other people have a more urgent need to get through. I haven't seen a significant tornado in the last decade when there weren't hordes of emergency and law enforcement personnel also on scene swarming around the tornado.

He pulled up on that scene about a minute after the tornado. There was no one else there, and no one on the road as he sped away.
 
I have no fundamental disagreement with the previous posts, but I know from experience that it is likely that a call to 911 in a situation like that is probably unnecessary and may contribute to tying up the phone lines when other people have a more urgent need to get through. I haven't seen a significant tornado in the last decade when there weren't hordes of emergency and law enforcement personnel also on scene swarming around the tornado.

While part of me does agree with what you're saying, as a first responder I would prefer that somebody call in any sort of devastation that is caused by a tornado or any kind of severe weather. You never know if somebody is under the wreckage caused by that storm. Even if you're not a trained first responder or have the necessary rescue equipment, it's best to report any major damage to help out the local emergency management officials so they know what they're dealing with or going to be dealing with.
 
Could someone in the EMS/fire/responder community chime in as a professional to address these concerns that might dissuade a chaser from entering a fresh tornado damage path:

1.) Risk of serious lacerations/punctures from sharp objects (glass, nails, sheet metal, etc)

2.) Risk of live electric lines, both transmission/distribution and interior household wiring

3.) Risks from leaking gas lines and/or chemical substances

4.) Risk of liability for improper treatment of victims (making a tourniquet too tight, worsening a broken bone injury, etc).

5.) Being in the way of first responders (vehicle or in person)

6.) Some basic equipment/tools/clothing items to keep in a vehicle for these purposes.

Let's get some basic training information out there dealing with each one of those items (procedures/best practices/etc.) If we get enough replies, I'll separate them into their own post and sticky it.
 
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I’m glad someone made a thread about this. I watched it live; absolutely reckless and selfish behavior. Not just ignoring the damage, but driving incredibly fast on the wrong side of the road through pine-lined Dixie. On the original video, an oncoming car even flashes its lights as Scott is driving in the wrong lane straight toward them.

Another chaser almost drove into a tornado after losing situational awareness and pulling a u-turn taking him back into the path. Had he done it 30 seconds earlier, he’d probably have been hit.

And last week, the stupid stunt with the “research” probe

Someone’s gonna get killed from this behavior, and I’m sure as hell NOT lighting up my beacon to memorialize a yahoo if/when they do.

Guys like Warren and Chuck Doswell have been talking about this garbage behavior for DECADES at this point. If we don’t at least try and self-police the community, then we’re guilty by association whether we like it or not.

I refuse to give any of these chasers any publicity or share their content. Probably won’t do much to curb anything, but at least my conscience is clear.
 
Unfortunately, the genie is out of the bottle. There is no way to police it, and I doubt there ever was. The media is most responsible for years of promoting insane behavior with no consequences while covering up the genuine purposes for chasing -- encouraging people to do the same. Just like TWC apparently did with this guy. At this point, chasing is completely independent of any constructive criticism and the bulk of chasers are Facebook based. We use to call out people when everyone was on ST and in some instances they changed their behavior. When I was called out -- it made me a better person. Even now I see groups, conventions and events promoting the very people who contributed to this mess as heroes and it's one reason I have withdrawn from most public events. Despite this, I believe Darwin and the criminal / civil systems have taken over the policing and we know how that works. Thanks to all the spotters, NWS employees, chasers and first responders yesterday who worked the storms. I remember at least one tornadic storm in GA that was followed by another, putting many rescuers in jeopardy. These are the heroes.
 
Could someone in the EMS/fire/responder community chime in as a professional to address these concerns that might dissuade a chaser from entering a fresh tornado damage path:

Let's get some basic training information out there dealing with each one of those items (procedures/best practices/etc.) If we get enough replies, I'll separate them into their own post and sticky it.

I think these comments would be a valuable addition from those in the professional emergency services community (active or retired), and I'll be eager to see what some of our fire, LE or EMS friends have to share. That having been said, whenever I've seen this discussed on social media, I've seen those in emergency services give vastly different opinions (that's not entirely unexpected) and even argue among themselves. I honestly think it's a YMMV (your mileage may vary) scenario and one that involves questions of ethics too.

Sharing my own personal experience, as some of you know, I was right behind the Discovery Channel crew as one of the first to arrive on scene in Yazoo City, MS in April 2010 right after the EF-4 tornado ravaged that community. We were initially just south of town on the hill overlooking the community when the rain wrapped tornado struck the southern portion of the city. In that instance, we chose to stop chasing, put down the cameras, and assist, and I don't necessarily regret doing so. That having been said, I was personally woefully unprepared for what transpired. I was not properly dressed at all, had an old pair of tennis shoes, and had no gloves. I stepped on nails and suffered several small splinters and abrasions. None of it was particularly severe and I didn't even require medical attention, though I returned home to a stern lecture from my physician about being deficient on my tetanus shot. Furthermore, the psychological trauma bothers me to this day, though I've never felt the need to seek therapy. There were numerous downed power lines that I still cannot be sure whether or not they were hot, not to mention ruptured gas lines. Victims were ambling around in a state of shock, themselves needed medical attention. Being an educator, I have a rudimentary background in some quintessential first aid procedures (e.g., bloodborne pathogen safety, CPR, and how to use an AED). However, I had no ability to deal directly with the spinal injuries, fractures, deep lacerations and other serious injuries I encountered. Cell phones were useless as the towers were down or overloaded. I share all of that not seeking any sort of praise, but just to share the reality that, beyond encountering minor structural damage, there are serious considerations for the untrained chaser in deciding how, when and where to go beyond just dialing 911 and leaving the rest to the professionals. For what it's worth, I always call 911, because there may be remote residences that would otherwise take longer for emergency workers to discover. Even though you may be contributing to 911 overload, better safe than sorry unless fire/ems/LE is already on scene.

There is an ethical question that might be a little beyond the scope of discussion, but for a litmus test, I always refer back to Jack Marshall's Ethical Decision-Making Tools (click the text to read more) in facilitating a more nuanced discussion of what the ethically appropriate response might be in guiding one's own decision making in situations like this.
 
For me personally as someone trained in Confined Space entry and rescue, I treat compromised buildings and structures like confined spaces. I will not personally enter as I'm not trained in Search and Rescue, nor is there any kind of plan in place with this kind of situation. With confined spaces at least, a large portion of the deaths associated with them come from would be rescuers trying to do the right thing and save the victim and then becoming victims themselves as they had no idea what to expect, and I cant imagine Search and Rescue in compromised structures being any different in that regard.

Sure, I will stop and call 911 for help and assist anyone not currently trapped if I'm first on the scene, but I will not enter any damaged structures whatsoever. It's beyond my scope of training and I'd rather not add to the victim pool unnecessarily.
 
So what you're saying is somebody who has no training should risk their life to get out RIGHT AFTER A TORNADO HIT THE HOUSE 1 MINUTE PRIOR and debris is still being flung around to check a house Then putting themselves in danger and risking more casualties? If you watch the video you can see the car being pushed towards the ditch which is why he was in the middle of the road and once oncoming traffic was seen he moved over. He was also dodging debris on the ground. You don't know Scott and why he made the decisions he did. Nobody wants to see what very well could have been in that house again like we have before. Stop trying to crucify this man You are not required to put yourself in danger during to attempt to rescue somebody else. This is beyond ridiculous.
 
So what you're saying is somebody who has no training should risk their life to get out RIGHT AFTER A TORNADO HIT THE HOUSE 1 MINUTE PRIOR and debry is still being flung around to check a house Then putting themselves in danger and risking more casualities? If you watch the video you can see the car being pushed towards the ditch which is why he was in the middle of the road and once on coming traffic was seen he moved over. He was also dodging debry on the ground. You don't know scott and why he made the decisions he did. Nobody wants to see what very well could have been in that house again like we have before. Stop trying to crucify this man You are not required to put yourself in danger during to attempt to rescue somebody else. This is beyond ridiculous.

I don't think anyone has said that at all. There are plenty of options between doing nothing and risking your life in some rescue attempt.
 
So what you're saying is somebody who has no training should risk their life to get out RIGHT AFTER A TORNADO HIT THE HOUSE 1 MINUTE PRIOR and debry is still being flung around to check a house Then putting themselves in danger and risking more casualities? If you watch the video you can see the car being pushed towards the ditch which is why he was in the middle of the road and once on coming traffic was seen he moved over. He was also dodging debry on the ground. You don't know scott and why he made the decisions he did. Nobody wants to see what very well could have been in that house again like we have before. Stop trying to crucify this man You are not required to put yourself in danger during to attempt to rescue somebody else. This is beyond ridiculous.
They're not trying to say that you need to physically help them and risk your own safety, but rather call 911 so you do not become a casualty yourself. If you do not have the training or equipment, don't risk your own safety going into compromised buildings to search for people - leave that to the professionals who do have the training and equipment.

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If you have the right training then yes, you should stop and help. Because technically you are the first responder. If you are someone who likes to chase severe weather but you have absolutely no training with natural disasters or first aid or any kind of medical training at all. You should probably not stop to help. Even if it's morally wrong, you could also become a victim by not knowing what you are doing. if you are in the situation where you do not know what to do because you're not trained or anything like that, then simply let emergency personnel know where the damage is so they can get to it sooner rather than later. Just my two cents.

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