New Experimental Radar Product???

From the looks of it UEX has new radar pages.

Next Generation Radar Displays (V2)

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/ridge/uex.html

Displays Topograghic maps, counties, cities, highways, rivers and warnings, along with radar data all on one map. I like it. The only thing I didn't like is they only show the interstate for highways.
 
I believe they started showing these a couple of months ago. It used to be limited to only a few of the radar sites.

Now it is available country wide, given the topo maps don't work on ALL of the sites. It is definately another step in radar development... :)
 
Now it is available country wide, given the topo maps don't work on ALL of the sites. It is definately another step in radar development... :)
No, not really. It's the same radar image, just with a pretty map and toggle-able (word?) overlays. GRLevel3 offers the same thing (and more, albeit for a price). Even now, I'd still use WeatherTAP over the NWS radar sites.


Ben
 
It does have the prettier map, and the toggled overlays, but that is another step for the public for free.

Certainly GRLevel3 is better, but as you said for a price. This is available to everybody and it is another step up for the NWS at least...
 
It does have the prettier map, and the toggled overlays, but that is another step for the public for free.
Is it really necessary? I don't think the pretty background map really matters much to Joe Sixpack. Either way, the basic information is the same.
Certainly GRLevel3 is better, but as you said for a price. This is available to everybody and it is another step up for the NWS at least...
I'll admit to re-installing the free trial of GRLevel3 a time or two...until I can afford to buy it. Yes, it is ethically dubious, but the point is freeness is available. Should this be the focus of the NWS in a time of budget-crunch? I would say no.
 
It is the NWS trying to attract more people back to their site and away from the other sites that offer radar.

I can admit, although I check it out every once in a while I do use other sites. Either way, as the reason this thread was started... It is a new thing from the NWS that they have made available.
 
It is pretty

Chicago stations have been superimposing radar on the area topo image for quite some time. In some areas far from highways the topo can help you determine exactly which city is threatened by a given storm.
 
Should this be the focus of the NWS in a time of budget-crunch? I would say no.

This is merely a way for radar data to be displayed by the ordinarily non-weather-savvy public in a new manner, with the ability to overlay warning polygons.
 
...something already provided by the private sector, in a better fashion... Sounds familiar? NWS spending money on duplication of something that is NOT necessary for protecting the general public and already provided by the weather industry. Do _not_ tell me that Joe Public needs topo maps with overlays to know when a warning is issued for his area.

- Rob
 
Yeah, it is nice, but it does seem like a waste to me. What wouldn't be a waste is increasing the profiler network, increasing the number of sounding launch points and times (every 6 hours, versus the current 12 hour standard), etc.. - That's where the real focus should be, rather than paying a programmer to create nice looking topo maps and polygon overlays.
 
The new NWS radar images are available for all offices now.
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/ridge/graphics/rid...idgesitemap.gif

Yeah, it is nice, but it does seem like a waste to me. What wouldn't be a waste is increasing the profiler network, increasing the number of sounding launch points and times (every 6 hours, versus the current 12 hour standard), etc.. - That's where the real focus should be, rather than paying a programmer to create nice looking topo maps and polygon overlays.

I understand these concerns but keep in mind that these products require a constant flush of equipment and maintainence. The new radar graphics more or less simply require some server space along with the services of a programmer who is probably already on the payroll anyway.
 
"The new radar graphics more or less simply require some server space"

The primary source for all radar information nationwide from the NWS has been suffering from server problems since it began... Yesterday data was up to 30 minutes old, so all commercial software that utilizes the meso product or VIL or Echo Tops were crippled by the inability for the NWS server to keep up.

Infrastructure...

- Rob
 
...something already provided by the private sector, in a better fashion... Sounds familiar? NWS spending money on duplication of something that is NOT necessary for protecting the general public and already provided by the weather industry. Do _not_ tell me that Joe Public needs topo maps with overlays to know when a warning is issued for his area.

- Rob

Oh good god, here we go again.

Edit: Hey, 500th post! *tosses handful of confetti*

Disclaimer: I tossed that fictional handful of confetti as a private citizen, not a weather service employee. It is my hope that no private confetti-tossing corporations were offended by my tossing of said fictional confetti. While I'm at it, with the disclaiming, any and all posts to this board are my own opinions. ;)
 
...something already provided by the private sector, in a better fashion... Sounds familiar? NWS spending money on duplication of something that is NOT necessary for protecting the general public and already provided by the weather industry. Do _not_ tell me that Joe Public needs topo maps with overlays to know when a warning is issued for his area.

- Rob

Oh good god, here we go again.

Yeah, I see your point Joe. I don't really mind that the NWS is doing it, nor the fact that it's free (free = good) - I mean, if my tax dollars went into it, I better get to see a good product. I was just pointing out that there are other areas that need improving upon, which should have been thought of well before the NDFD and other needless products (well, NDFD is needless for me anyway, not sure about anyone else)... I liked the original ZFP's (zone forecast packages).
 
May I point out that the new product now includes velocity data? This is a significant enhancement, of real value to users. Sure, there's been free velocity data available elsewhere for some time, but I don't see how you can fault the NWS for this kind of genuine improvement to their radar sites.
 
"This is a significant enhancement, of real value to users."

To Joe Public? Absolutely not... NWS is there for the general population, not weather-weenies.
 
"This is a significant enhancement, of real value to users."

To Joe Public? Absolutely not... NWS is there for the general population, not weather-weenies.

Joe Public doesn't use NWS internet sites at all, hell, he rarely watches TWC.

IMO most people who use the NWS nexrad sites are savvy enough to understand and benefit from the velocity product. I stand by my statement. You were all talking about how the only thing that's really new is the topo display, and that's simply not true. The velocity product is new and extremely useful, and definitely a major improvement on the old sites.
 
"Joe Public doesn't use NWS internet sites at all, hell, he rarely watches TWC"

Exactly. NWS is to provide weather information to the general public, allowing the private sector to go above and beyond. The private sector already provides topo maps and velocity imagery. Yet they are being harmed by the NWS servers frequently dropping 30 minutes or more behind, like they've been consistently doing the past few days during these sevwx episodes. So instead of spending more money to compete with the private sector, and harming their product as a result, why not put that money into infrastructure and letting the weather industry handle weather-weenies?
 
", why not put that money into infrastructure and letting the weather industry handle weather-weenies?

because infrastructure isn't "cool"

If you take management into the data center and point at a floor full of servers and say "that's what you got for 1million" they say "so what?"

You show them a pretty picture and a rotating radar beam and they'll write you another check for 1million

That's just the way it is..not just in the NWS..but in industry.
 
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