Limit-pushing

[J Kinkaid]

With all the controversy I'm surprised that no one has made an alternative forum for "everyone else"... like a completely different site.

This post is about to get deleted just for mentioning that lol.

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[Will Wilkens]

the other two got deleted, so this will probably too, soon

 

[Mike Hollingshead]

No offense, but come on guys. You never see me griping about the fact that people are just as thin-skinned when it comes to being offended by Christianity. It gets old for the whole 'easily offended' bull to be so one-sided. If I started a thread about a Bible verse it would be shut down in ten seconds. As in it's OK to offend the family-friendly crowd here but not the 'anything goes' crowd. And then it's supposedly outraegous that someone would complain at off-color posts. People act so surprised that someone would complain, or that eliciting complaints is the goal. As if it's some sort of social experiment or demonstration. That, I don't get. What is one trying to prove by demonstrating that offensive posts get complaints? That's like going into a theater, yelling 'FIRE' and then lauging at all the people for running out, saying, "I knew that was going to happen".

Oh well, just another aspect of humanity I haven't figured out.

You're trying to use an argument that doesn't exist in this case. Pretending to know what everyone else will do in threads that have not existed on here, bible versus threads. And doing so with the assumption they'd care to bother posting complaints...as much as folks do in cases such as this.

Add a bible section too for all I care.

If I think it is stupid to complain, I'll say so, just like you have spoken with the complaint in the first place. I don't see the massive surprise or issue in that aspect I guess.

For the record I'm not surprised people would complain. Didn't turn on the computer to see the thread and fall out of my chair in shock. Not even expecting anyone to stop complaining, just saying I'll think it is silly each time. It is being easily offended, no matter how one tries to color it.

 

[Clarence Bennett]

No offense, but come on guys. You never see me griping about the fact that people are just as thin-skinned when it comes to being offended by Christianity. It gets old for the whole 'easily offended' bull to be so one-sided. If I started a thread about a Bible verse it would be shut down in ten seconds. As in it's OK to offend the family-friendly crowd here but not the 'anything goes' crowd. And then it's supposedly outraegous that someone would complain at off-color posts. People act so surprised that someone would complain, or that eliciting complaints is the goal. As if it's some sort of social experiment or demonstration. That, I don't get. What is one trying to prove by demonstrating that offensive posts get complaints? That's like going into a theater, yelling 'FIRE' and then lauging at all the people for running out, saying, "I knew that was going to happen".

Oh well, just another aspect of humanity I haven't figured out.

Dan, I know exactly what you are saying. To try to argue the point on here and get anyone else to understand seems impossible. Thanks for standing up!

 

[Jason Bolt]

I guess I'm on the other side of this. I'm pretty tired of all the whining from persons who basically want to explicitly and narrowly dictate the content of this forum. I'm trying to keep up with what some people want and what I have so far is: Anything funny= not allowed. Any harsh words to newbies (even when they violate rules by posting worthless noise in a FCST thread = okay because we were all new once and it's not their fault they can't/won't read the rules lets all just have a group hug. Any differing opinions = Aaaaaaaaaah!!! quick call a mod!

Seriously, people. Someone could be offended by every single thing on here. This forum or any forum just isn't going to work if every single thing that offends a single person is moderated or deleted. Thicken up that skin a little.

Another thing: There seems to be two groups of people who are "leaving"; the group that is offended by the content and the group that is offended by the censorship. So instead of everyone leaving for their own reasons and turning this into a ghost town, let's all nut up and agree that even though we may not like everything about ST all the time we can respect each others differences and keep this the great place that it has been.

 

[Adam Lucio]

Dan, I know exactly what you are saying. To try to argue the point on here and get anyone else to understand seems impossible. Thanks for standing up!

Untrue, I as well as others understand what Dan is saying. I tried to offer my explanation as to why I think it is the way it is.

 

[Steve Miller]

I can't support Jason's comment more. This is the B&G - have fun in it. If you can't hack it, ask the mods to turn off your access to it. It's easy.

As for slapping the hands of those who are posting BS in the Forecast, Now and Reports threads; somebody needs to! Every other forum out there is partially policed by veteran members. It makes people think twice before posting and maybe even cause them to actually read the rules/guidelines! This forum is built on those three threads. They need to be respected.

Also, while I'm on a roll, let's see if we can't try really hard to format our thread topics where they make sense and maybe, if you're feeling spunky, spell check them before submitting.

 

[Brandon Goforth]

ST should divide into two sections, both with the same forum sections. One called "I'm easily offended" and the other called "everyone else". The idea a forum of mostly adults needs to have all posts family friendly for all family types is silly to me. But I'm sure that is the way it is believed will keep the most happy and the most coming back here. I sort of doubt that is true however, especially considering just how little some things are that "stir people up".

Yep, gotta agree with that right there. And, where are all of these very offensive and over the top threads that seem to be popping up all over the place?? I haven't seen any...I mean, even the recent, yet infamous, flame war thread wasn't THAT bad. Some people need to get over it already. I've seen more threads pop up about ST being too hostile and offensive than the hostile and offensive threads themselves...

 

[Dan Robinson]

Here's the thing though - we're in mixed company here. Meaning a diverse group of people with different values that I assumed we all had mutual respect for. Would that same type of content be accepted at a baseball game, at a restaurant, or anywhere else where people are in mixed company? I assumed that common forum courtesy was not to stir the pot with either end of the spectrum. I never stir it here with religion, and I assumed the same courtesy would be extended to those like me to not stir it with the offensive stuff.

 

[Jason Foster]

Just a bunch of LOLs which is what allot of us need these days.

Ding, ding, ding, ding....BINGO!

Politics and religion are just a bad idea for topics in a forum like this one.

 

[Mike Hollingshead]

Here's the thing though - we're in mixed company here. Meaning a diverse group of people with different values that I assumed we all had mutual respect for. Would that same type of content be accepted at a baseball game, at a restaurant, or anywhere else where people are in mixed company? I assumed that common forum courtesy was not to stir the pot with either end of the spectrum. I never stir it here with religion, and I assumed the same courtesy would be extended to those like me to not stir it with the offensive stuff.

But if you try to please all/tip toe, well then there's probably not much fun left to have on a forum. I don't think anyone should want all parties pleased all the time, or expect it themselves. The idea should be more about tolerating what you don't care for than wanting others to restrict themselves for you. I don't think most folks saw what they were posting as simply stirring a pot for the sake of stirring...ahead of just having fun. If they only wanted to stir, might I suggest going for the nudity route at least.

 

[Brandon Goforth]

Here's the thing though - we're in mixed company here. Meaning a diverse group of people with different values that I assumed we all had mutual respect for. Would that same type of content be accepted at a baseball game, at a restaurant, or anywhere else where people are in mixed company? I assumed that common forum courtesy was not to stir the pot with either end of the spectrum. I never stir it here with religion, and I assumed the same courtesy would be extended to those like me to not stir it with the offensive stuff.

Then the question would become what exactly is considered the "offensive stuff"? Cause it seems that people are getting "offended" by everything anymore. A simple disagreement and people are getting "offended". I don't get it really, but most of the stuff I believe you are referring to is in the bar and grill section, where there really aren't any weather discussions going on...so maybe the best solution would be to simply avoid those discussions if you don't like them? Just a thought.....

 

[Bob Hartig]

Hoo, boy. How are we going to survive these next six months?

Well, here's my two cents: personally, I don't have the same problem with suggestive humor as I do with people maliciously bashing on each other. It's not something I care to participate in, but I got a few chuckles from the thread in question, and overall it's not a battle I need to fight. I think the implicit gibes at the moderators are lowbrow stuff, but the mods are big boys with the ability to do something about it. I just have two observations:

* Who determines the "easily" part of "easily offended"? Granted that there's such a thing as too thin a skin, there's also such a thing as too thick a skin regarding things that many would agree are in fact offensive, even if others don't see it that way. So who sets an objective plumline? And that leads me to...

* What do the rules say? Those are the things that determine the nature of the milieu. I expect the feel to be looser in the B&G than in other areas of ST. Still, there are boundaries and they've been communicated plainly by the administration. If the boundaries are loose to the point where anything goes, then fine. But if they're more definitive, then when you push the boundaries, don't be shocked when the boundaries push back.

 

[Terry Tyler]

To me, Stormtrack is a forum that is very formal. That is a very good thing for what ST is designed for, discussion with the main players of the industry. Alot of the material is censored and maintained to preserve quality and 'family freindlyness'. There is nothing wrong with that, but like others have said. Much of us may say some things that may be unfreindly to others in a lax setting such as the Bar and Grill. Personally, ive been a member here since 2005 and ive learned not to break the rules. Rules are kept in place to maintain order and preserve quality. This site is kept at a high standard because it is high standard. This isnt a place to discuss 'unfreindly' subjects, but there are other sites such as www.hardcoreweather.com that are more liberal and free as far as Bar and Grill type posts. There are other places out there for people to discuss politics and controverial topics without persecution, but its not here. With that said, theres nothing wrong with that at all, i think that we shouldent even be having this arguement. Administrative decisions are private buisiness, everyone knows what goes on ST and what doesnt go. This is meant to be a family quality board for professionals to discuss weather and things that doesnt include harsh or risque content. People need to quit questioning administrative judgement and rules and post the 'normal' content at other places and keep the more professional and family freindly appearace here.

 

[Jason Bolt]

Here's the thing though - we're in mixed company here. Meaning a diverse group of people with different values that I assumed we all had mutual respect for. Would that same type of content be accepted at a baseball game, at a restaurant, or anywhere else where people are in mixed company? I assumed that common forum courtesy was not to stir the pot with either end of the spectrum. I never stir it here with religion, and I assumed the same courtesy would be extended to those like me to not stir it with the offensive stuff.

Okay, Dan! Please make a list of all you consider to be "offensive stuff" so we can avoid it. Then, we can have everyone else make a similar list. Whatever is left that is not on anyone's list is what we CAN talk about! That way no one is offended!

Or I guess we could just deal with it the same way we all are forced to deal with all other forms of media- if it offends us, we don't read it/watch it, etc. It's kinda like subscribing to Playboy, then complaining about nude pictures. I keep hearing a lot of people are on here only for specific weather related content. That's cool! But if you see a thread in a place called "Bar & Grill" titled "Boobies" go ahead and surmise it is possibly not weather related and ignore it rather than reading it anyway, getting offended, and starting a thread about how offended you are.

And before anyone makes the comment about don't type anything you wouldn't say to someone's face, I would say all that to Dan's face! With a smile and a laugh! See just because we don't all see eye to eye on everything doesn't mean we can't discuss it or even joke about it! If we all had the same opinions about everything, life would be boring!