FOR THE MEDIA CHASERS: How not to do a phoner!

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Lets get back to commenting on how bad this guy sucked at doing a live phoner that day. The dang OCM couldn't even get a word in....

I would say there were several irresponsible points this guy made...one of which calling this tornado an EF1 as it passed overhead. Hmmmm..
 
Lets get back to commenting on how bad this guy sucked at doing a live phoner that day. The dang OCM couldn't even get a word in....

I would say there were several irresponsible points this guy made...one of which calling this tornado an EF1 as it passed overhead. Hmmmm..

I would completely disagree, did he get a little excited? Yes, but he did nothing more than report on a tornado that was doing damage at the time, and is it really that bad that he attempted to estimate the significance of the tornado? At the time, it was probably the most effective method of portraying to the general public what he was seeing. Was he a little over excited? Yes, but what chaser isn't when a tornado touches down that close to you. In this case he could have acted a little more professional, and I'm guessing he would agree, but other than some excessive excitement, I don't see anything worth 3 pages of discussion on ST....
 
I agree with Dustin on the guy estimating the tornado's intensity. I've personally never done anything like that, but why should that be a bad thing? It's not that hard to guesstimate how strong a tornado is and what kind of damage it would be capable of doing if you have a fairly close view of the circulation at the ground. I typically just say "weak" or "strong" when I'm reporting on a tornado, but I wouldn't be shy about saying it's around an EF?
I already know that somebody will say something about ratings being based on damage, how can you know without seeing the damage, what if it didn't do any damage, etc, etc, etc. It serves as a description to the public and it conveys the tornado's intensity effectively. Isn't that the whole point? IMO it is and I have no problem with him saying that. I couldn't understand half of what the guy said, but if he said something about it being an EF1 when it wasn't on the ground then that's kind of bad considering it isn't even a tornado.
The chasers can report however they want to on air. Their station can decide if that is or is not what they want out of the chasers and address it accordingly. I personally think keeping calm makes you sound more proffessional, but to each their own I guess.
 
As some of the chasers that do phoners for media knows, you have to be calm no matter the circumstance. Is it sometimes hard to do? Sure it is. But when you're excited like that, it puts the people at home on edge as well as the Mets at the station.

I didn't start this thread to blast this guy or ridicule him. I did start this thread to let the media chasers out there know that this isn't the best way to do a phoner. If I did a phoner like that for the station I chase for, it would be my last. I'm not sure how long this guy has chased, but he acted like it was the first tornado he has ever seen, and the first phoner he has ever done. If it truly is the first phoner he has ever done, then I can understand the scenario. Again, I didn't start this thread to ridicule this guy. I truly can't say I wouldn't get a little anxious if a tornado was on my rear end and I happened to be doing a phoner. I hope that never happens...
 
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I agree with Jason. Most people who are not meterologically savvy will totally freak out when they hear something like this, especially if they have been in or near a tornado. This did absolutely nothing but inspire fear & terror in some people for the sake of ratings. Yes, media has a responsibility to warn the public, but not terrorize them.
Rules for phoner.
1. Be calm on the air.
2. Be factual about what you are seeing. (do not over-dramatize)
3. Know & state your exact location. (to the best of your ability)
Those simple rules should help the cause of warning the public of impending danger, not freak them out...
 
I'm not trying to give the guy a pass on his behavior or anything. I thought it was pretty bad for him to freak out like that. Maintaining your composure in a situation like that makes you and the station look a lot better IMO. It really did sound like it was his first tornado or his first time ever reporting. Doesn't anybody know who this guy is? Has he chased for them for a while? I almost thought the met sounded a little annoyed by it, but the video cuts off right after the phoner so I didn't get to here much out of him (since the chaser was doing all the talking). I agree that it is an example of what not to do and I understood you weren't trying to blast the guy or anything with this thread. I would be a little embarrassed if I popped up in a thread like this though lol.
 
He is a met for kfor and a very good chaser been around for awhile. He also reported May 3 1999 and was just as close then. So he has witnessed mass destruction on a very large scale. Wouldnt you freak out a little bit to if the storm your on is in a very populated area ? And you have already been down that same road on may 3 ! David Payne is the best in the business IMO! Been chasing a long time for KFOR . So maybe not your type of a "phoner" but I bet people were in the storm shelter. He has saved many of lives over the years ...What have you done lately??? Check this out

"Oklahoma's NewsChannel 4's David Payne

Fourth generation Oklahoman, David Payne is a National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences Emmy Award winning meteorologist with a total of five Emmy wins and ten nominations. David has been Oklahoma's NewsChannel 4's weekday morning and noon meteorologist for over a decade. He joined the 4 Warn Storm Team in 1993 from KTUL in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

During the devastating tornadoes of May 3rd, 1999, viewers around the world glimpsed heart-stopping images of David reporting live in front of that mammoth tornado. It is the only F5 to hit the Oklahoma City metro area. Governor Keating in a public ceremony recognized David and the 4 Warn Storm Team for their severe weather coverage. The Emmy, as well as two nominations, was awarded to David and his photojournalist Marc Dillard.

A video recording made of May 3rd's tornadoes was lost, attributed to the chaos and mayhem surrounding the day's events. In 2005, seven years later, the tape was discovered in a shelved box. The tape revealed thrilling footage of David's chase car pursuing the enormous storm. David received an Emmy nomination for his reporting, which were recorded on the "lost tape."

David's coverage of the May 8th, 2003, Moore, Oklahoma, tornado earned him an Emmy Award along with two Emmy nominations. This storm, in a freakish sequence, was the second to hit the Moore community within five years and followed roughly the same path as the previous one.

David was selected by the National Association of Broadcasters in 2003 to speak at their conference on Serving Communities In Crisis, held at the Reagan Center in Washington D.C. He spoke on the topics of storm tracking and covering severe weather in Oklahoma. David has appeared on national television, as well as interviewed in national newspapers and magazines.

In April 2005, the Oklahoma House of Representatives honored David and the 4 Warn Storm Team by passing House Resolution 1018 which extended its appreciation and thanks to for the 4 Warn Storm Team and their investment in the safety of the people of Oklahoma.

In spring of 2006, David waited and watched as storms developed west of Oklahoma City, near El Reno. Several tornadoes appeared before his eyes, one, a rare anticyclonic with a clockwise motion. Driving over 500 miles that day, David's coverage brought him two Emmy Awards and three Emmy nominations.

The spring of 2007 in Oklahoma was a very active year, full of severe weather including tornadoes. David's coverage of the Sweetwater, Oklahoma tornado on May 5th, 2007 earned him two additional Emmy nominations.

At the end of 2007 David received a National Emmy for his severe weather coverage for the El Reno, Oklahoma tornadoes from 2006. This was the first time in over thirty years a National Emmy had been given to anyone in Oklahoma.

David holds the seal of the National Weather Association and the American Meteorological Society and has been recognized numerous times by the Associated Press and the Oklahoma Association of Broadcasters for his severe weather coverage, including tracking tornadoes.

David has under his belt nearly twenty years of experience tracking tornadoes. He has seen several hundred, including a backward rotating one, which is, in fact, the world's record for the longest anticyclonic (backward spinning tornado) ever caught on tape.

David's Oklahoma roots run deep. His family still owns land acquired during the Oklahoma Land Run of 1895. A graduate of the University of Oklahoma with a Bachelor of Science degree, David Payne enjoys speaking to schools and organizations about weather. His hobbies include fishing, golfing, water skiing, gardening, bird watching, and of course, tornado chasing. David, his wife Julie, and their daughter reside in Edmond."

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I can't imagine that if you've gone that long without confirming a tornado, something would pop up 3 months later to verify the TOR.

Actually, you'd be surprised. I can't remember the full details, but in January, someone sent in photos to the office (maybe video too, can't remember) of some tornado that occurred in 2007....can't remember when...the severe event had to be October or earlier.

I know the office suspected that the storm produced a tornado, but I don't know if they couldn't find damage or never got any reports. I do know that was another tornado added to the count for the year.

Just goes to show...NWS offices need those reports.
 
Of course, but I don't think Storm Data would swing the numbers too far... What's the limit on LSR's --- 3 days? I can't imagine that if you've gone that long without confirming a tornado, something would pop up 3 months later to verify the TOR.
May 10th of last year while on a damage survey SW of the OKC metro area, Kiel Ortega and I came across a damage path that wouldn't fit into our mental model of the May 8th storms. When we found someone to ask about it, they informed us that the damage had actually occurred back in March. When asked why they didn't call it in, we were told "Because it was just some old sheet metal and didn't really affect us."
 
Thanks for the "long ago" tornado stories... To clarify my point - there were about 75 nonverified warnings in OK this year, I don't think you can expect 70 of them to be verified a year down the road :)
 
I guess I've been here too long, but that report was pretty tame for David Payne IMO. I clicked that link expecting to see something insanely over-the-top, but was quite unimpressed...seemed almost lethargic for DP. I guess it's pretty nuts if you're not used to it. I have the opposite reaction; when I watch live weather coverage from other markets, I get bored.
 
He is a met for kfor and a very good chaser been around for awhile. He also reported May 3 1999 and was just as close then. So he has witnessed mass destruction on a very large scale. Wouldnt you freak out a little bit to if the storm your on is in a very populated area ? And you have already been down that same road on may 3 ! David Payne is the best in the business IMO! Been chasing a long time for KFOR . So maybe not your type of a "phoner" but I bet people were in the storm shelter. He has saved many of lives over the years ...What have you done lately??? Check this out

I agree with Michael and am very glad he posted. David is a on air meteorologist and a very experienced and talented chaser, one of the best. The one thing that stands out about David Payne in my opinion is his passion for what he does, you can tell that he loves to chase. After all these years, and all the incredible storms he has reported on and filmed, he still has an incredible enthusiasm and excitement about mother nature. He is an extremely talented chaser, loves what he and it shows. I appreciate that about him. Also, Val Castor is another very talented chaser and in my opinion both of them are unfairly judged in public forums like this one. David and Val get scrutinized a lot. They may do a fantastic job 99% of the time, but it always seems that the 1% that may not have gone well do to circumstances on the ground, and its the 1% that everyone focuses on. Also because they drive media marked vehicles they seem to get a lot more scrutinized for there driving habits. Its like they have a big bullseye on there vehicle. So out of all the the the thousands of times these guys have made reports in the past and will also make in the future, lets cut them a little slack and get off there backs.
I don't know of one chaser that can say he at some point and time did not make a bone head move while chasing. The only difference is all those hundreds of other chasers are not driving around in media marked vehicles and on the air.
I am sure that if David or Val turned the cameras on chasers, they could get quit a story of their own scrutinizing other chasers.
 
I agree with Hank thank you Michael for that post. David does get excited but he is doing what we all should be doing saving lives. I know chasers who see tornadoes and never report it.That is selfish the public needs to know and the NWS needs to know so get your Pics and video but call it in. Thank you David Payne for once again a job well Done.
 
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