• After witnessing the continued decrease of involvement in the SpotterNetwork staff in serving SN members with troubleshooting issues recently, I have unilaterally decided to terminate the relationship between SpotterNetwork's support and Stormtrack. I have witnessed multiple users unable to receive support weeks after initiating help threads on the forum. I find this lack of response from SpotterNetwork officials disappointing and a failure to hold up their end of the agreement that was made years ago, before I took over management of this site. In my opinion, having Stormtrack users sit and wait for so long to receive help on SpotterNetwork issues on the Stormtrack forums reflects poorly not only on SpotterNetwork, but on Stormtrack and (by association) me as well. Since the issue has not been satisfactorily addressed, I no longer wish for the Stormtrack forum to be associated with SpotterNetwork.

    I apologize to those who continue to have issues with the service and continue to see their issues left unaddressed. Please understand that the connection between ST and SN was put in place long before I had any say over it. But now that I am the "captain of this ship," it is within my right (nay, duty) to make adjustments as I see necessary. Ending this relationship is such an adjustment.

    For those who continue to need help, I recommend navigating a web browswer to SpotterNetwork's About page, and seeking the individuals listed on that page for all further inquiries about SpotterNetwork.

    From this moment forward, the SpotterNetwork sub-forum has been hidden/deleted and there will be no assurance that any SpotterNetwork issues brought up in any of Stormtrack's other sub-forums will be addressed. Do not rely on Stormtrack for help with SpotterNetwork issues.

    Sincerely, Jeff D.

Fire affects on storm development

  • Thread starter Thread starter Jason Foster
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Jason Foster

Looking at the forecasts for 3/30/08 and then browsing SPC, was wondering if a wildfire that was burning in AZ or NM, upwind of the storms potential, would the particulate from the storms affect storm development enough to mean anything? Just something I never thought of before.

Tomorrow's set up brought up the question, but isn't particular to tomorrow's set, just a general question.
 
Jason, wildfires could impact storms by increasing the number of cloud condensation nuclei available. The most notable impact occurs between maritime and continental clouds and raindrop size distributions. Over water, there are fewer CCN, so you end up with fewer, larger drops in a narrow distribution.

In continental areas where dust, pollution, wildfires, etc. are common, you end up a distribution with a wide spread of drop sizes.

The change in CCN from aerosols can be extremely important in determining the lifetime and radiative properties of marine low-level clouds. It is well known that clouds in areas of pollution are more reflective (direct effect). There is also evidence that they persist longer (indirect effect). These have implications for climate change, and is one big mysteries in our climate models... the aerosol forcing.

So what about for thunderstorms? I don't have the references handy, but from what I read, changes in CCN over land had minimal impact on updrafts (these were tropical, in a low-shear environment) . I would hypothesize that there may be important microphysical impacts early on in the cloud's lifetime, but given the large number of collisions in a convective updraft, the dynamics take over pretty quickly. I'm unaware of any studies that have investigated the changes of aerosols in model runs of supercells. Implementation of aerosols in these models is pretty rudimentary.
 
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