DeLorme Street Atlas 2005

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Is anyone here currently using SA2005? I have been using SA2004 and Microsoft Streets and Trips.... I was wondering if it'd be worth the $40 to upgrade from SA04 to SA05. Has anyone made the upgrade to SA05? Thanks!
 
I've got their new Bluelogger/SA 2005 combination on order. When it comes in and I get the chance, I'm planning a test run together with the V710 bluetooth phone to see how well they work together. From the product description it sounds like the specific improvements in SA 2005 are worthwhile but we'll see.
 
I haven't used it yet (I know it just very recently came out) but plan to make the upgrade. Just the faster start up would be a plus. It will be nice to see if the hype pans out in practice.
 
I think it'd be nice to be able to zip ahead when replaying a GPS log instead of having to play through the entire log. For example, I have a few logs which are 5-6 hours long, with the first 1-3 hours typically just the positioning part of the chase. It'd be nice to be able to zoom ahead to, say, hour #3, instead of having to "play" through the entire first 3 hours. I know I can play it at high speed (50x), but it still takes time... At any rate, keep us informed! Thanks!
 
I've got it installed on my laptop, but haven't made a test run with it. Maybe I'll do that tomorrow. If so, I'll report the results here.
 
Originally posted by Michael Gribble
Does the Microsoft Streets and Trips show back roads or is it just major streets and highways?

Streets and Trips shows the majority of the 'back roads', though, by my experience, it is not as thorough as Street Atlas. I still prefer the use of Streets and Trips for "planning" or outlining purposes, but I strong prefer Street Atlas for real-time GPS tracking and chasing the backroads...
 
I installed Street Atlas 2005 early this afternoon and have been toying with the software for hours, but haven't been able to get out and test the GPS in action. I'm sure that part will have changed the least.

I've upgraded from SA 9.0 so it's a completely different interface, but I like it a lot. A few problems they've solved: you can now deactivate the GPS centering feature with a single graphical button rather than having to find it in the menu. I like the easy customization for points-of-interest so that chaser-specific locations like motels, libraries, and restaurants are visible, with addresses and phone numbers in a very cool, unintrusive way. There are additional contrast and zoom settings that should make the maps easier to read in a variety of situations.

It's an intuitive design and I feel like I could chase with it right now and not get confused.

My biggest complaint (so far) is the lack of county names on the maps. I know these are present in the database, because if you left-click any point and select the 'Info" menu, you get city name, zip code, county name, and more. I really wish there was a way to enable county names on the map itself. This isn't a deal-breaker (even on 9.0, counties were only visible at specific magnifications), but I was surprised considering the other improvements.

So far, very good!
 
Originally posted by Amos Magliocco
I installed Street Atlas 2005 early this afternoon and have been toying with the software for hours, but haven't been able to get out and test the GPS in action. I'm sure that part will have changed the least.

I've upgraded from SA 9.0 so it's a completely different interface, but I like it a lot. A few problems they've solved: you can now deactivate the GPS centering feature with a single graphical button rather than having to find it in the menu. I like the easy customization for points-of-interest so that chaser-specific locations like motels, libraries, and restaurants are visible, with addresses and phone numbers in a very cool, unintrusive way. There are additional contrast and zoom settings that should make the maps easier to read in a variety of situations.

It's an intuitive design and I feel like I could chase with it right now and not get confused.

My biggest complaint (so far) is the lack of county names on the maps. I know these are present in the database, because if you left-click any point and select the 'Info\" menu, you get city name, zip code, county name, and more. I really wish there was a way to enable county names on the map itself. This isn't a deal-breaker (even on 9.0, counties were only visible at specific magnifications), but I was surprised considering the other improvements.

So far, very good!

I got it, and I agree that it's a great program! I also really like the voice activation, such as "zoom in", "pan down", etc..
 
I have had it about a week now and I like that it starts faster and is more customizable. The high contrast map colors are a welcome addition as well. I like it much more over the previous versions.
 
So far it appears that SA 2005 does not have county labels at any magnification level, which sucks. You can get the county name, but only by moving the cursor to a point in the county, and right-clicking the "info" menu, which would be a pain in-situ.

Anybody figured out how to make the county names appear some way?
 
Well, one possibility is to make and save an annotation (draw) file with the county labels and include it as a layer. Perhaps a separate annotation file for each state would work well. Several of us could divide up the work and share exported draw files; I'd be willing to take a few states. Perhaps Tim might be able to host the files for download. Might be some medicine for SDS in the cold season.

This might also work for Wi-fi spots, recommended food & lodging, etc., that members could contribute.

I notice that Delorme has an update for SA2005 that adds "advanced file management" (multiple draw files, etc.) on its support site.
 
That's a good idea. I don't know how the draw files or layering work on the app, but I'd be willing to learn and do a state or two. I have found the county names very helpful in the past.
 
There is an important update for Street Atlas and Delorme GPS programs.
DeLorme Magnetic Declination Update

Most DeLorme mapping applications use the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s (NOAA) magnetic declination file to perform various functions within the applications. On December 16, 2004, NOAA released a new version of the file that will make the previous version (which was released with most DeLorme mapping applications) obsolete.

http://www.delorme.com/support/multi/multi...&K=&P=8125&C=19
 
Okay, have done a little more research on the issue of county names appearing on the Street Atlast 2005 maps. The reason I didn't know about draw layers and the like was that I hadn't downloaded the Advanced File Management patch (free) that users lobbied for successfully a few months ago, so those options weren't visible to me until now.

http://www.delorme.com/support/streetatlas...&K=&P=8125&C=19


This is a good solution, but I wish that we could set those text labels to reduce to dots at a certain zoom level--a function that seems to be available in SA 2005 Plus, whatever that is. Otherwise, when zooming out with the County Name draw layer active, those labels will remain and make things very cluttered. I know it's easy to uncheck the draw layer, but it seems like it would be so simple to include the functionality to make them reduce automatically.

The most frustrating thing is that the ability to shrink those text labels SOUNDS as if it's available in all versions, because mention of it appears in my help file like this:

\"If you want to reduce the size of your text label to a point symbol at and above a certain zoom level, select the zoom level you want to reduce it to from the Reduce Size at Zoom drop-down list. \"

However such a drop down list does not exist in my version. Argh.

Does anybody who knows more about SA 2005 than I do have a better grasp of these issues?

Also, I'm wondering if somebody hasn't already done a draw layer with county names and made it available. I've been sifting through Delorme forums to find such a thing. At the same time, I've started my own draw layers as a way to experiment with the new functionality. I'll do north Texas, northwest Texas, and the Texas panhandle to start, then work my way north.

PS: I've posted these questions on the Delorme forum which seems very active and useful. Here's my post on their board:

http://forum.delorme.com/viewtopic.php?p=8815#8815
 
Bingo! Is the internet a great thing or what? LOL. Somebody has already created a draw layer for every county in the USA.

http://superhosts.net/~wq7a/

He has files with county names in both all-caps and regular capitalization, and a ReadMe explanation (particular to his application as a County Hunter). I have imported and played around with both files and they're well done. With the emphasis on DONE. I started Texas and was beginning to wonder, if I had put in an hour a day, if it would take until May to finish. LOL.

By the way, here's the full answer from the Delorme Forum moderator:

Originally posted by Dan Lawyer
See TerryW's post in this topic. He has a draw layer that you can download that will solve the problem. It's very well done.

SA2005 Plus has the ability to display county names, but it also has some problems in that the name display isn't consistent and all zoom levels, and the fonts don't resize. The above file doesn't resize the fonts, but as it's a draw layer, you can modify it to whatever you want.
 
Originally posted by Amos Magliocco+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Amos Magliocco)</div>
Bingo! Is the internet a great thing or what? LOL. Somebody has already created a draw layer for every county in the USA.

http://superhosts.net/~wq7a/

He has files with county names in both all-caps and regular capitalization, and a ReadMe explanation (particular to his application as a County Hunter). I have imported and played around with both files and they're well done. With the emphasis on DONE. I started Texas and was beginning to wonder, if I had put in an hour a day, if it would take until May to finish. LOL.

By the way, here's the full answer from the Delorme Forum moderator:

<!--QuoteBegin-Dan Lawyer
See TerryW's post in this topic. He has a draw layer that you can download that will solve the problem. It's very well done.

SA2005 Plus has the ability to display county names, but it also has some problems in that the name display isn't consistent and all zoom levels, and the fonts don't resize. The above file doesn't resize the fonts, but as it's a draw layer, you can modify it to whatever you want.
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Excellent! It does look like it would have taken awhile, based on the excel file length. Thanks for you good searching ability, and providing the link!
 
Bingo! Is the internet a great thing or what? LOL. Somebody has already created a draw layer for every county in the USA.

http://superhosts.net/~wq7a/

He has files with county names in both all-caps and regular capitalization, and a ReadMe explanation (particular to his application as a County Hunter). I have imported and played around with both files and they're well done. With the emphasis on DONE. I started Texas and was beginning to wonder, if I had put in an hour a day, if it would take until May to finish. LOL.


I can't get the link above to work, and also need this county overlay. Anyone have another link or perhaps willing to send me the file?

Thanks.
 
Good find Amos. I still don't really find the county names to be quite ideal especially considering the faint color of the boundaries. As a possible option, I set up Topo with "custom map features" to only show that file with county names, the county borders, and state borders.

Since I can run both simultaneously now that the GPS is USB, I will try this with Street Atlas running normally, and with Topo showing my position on a "custom county map". Then, whoever is running the laptop may find it a useful tool.
 
No problem, guys. I'm glad we found it instead of trying to build it ourselves. I haven't had a problem yet with the county border markings but then I haven't used it in an actual chase yet.
 
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