County Officials Critical of Storm Chasers

Don't know who it was. Nevertheless, A few cars where pulling out in front of police vehicle during the massive EF4 tornado near Salina KS a few weeks ago. Don't have footage of this, but Christine (my chase partner & driver) makes remarks about it on vid while it was happening. Believe it was happening behind us. Reason why no footage. We were both blown away by what people were doing. Can't believe someone would think it's okay to pull out in front of any emergency vehicle. Hope they stop.
 
Fascinating article. I'd like to know what the charge would be. Is driving on a public road a felony, or a misdemeanor in his county?

Tim

Not sure either unless he's talking about arresting people standing outside of their cars on the interstate or if people are illegally parked on the roadway. Could also be for illegal use of lightbars, etc. There are several things but if your following all of the laws then you have nothing to worry about and this is a non-issue.
 
From NPR today (04/29), Saline County to "arrest (gawkers) on the spot" and "roadblocks" threatened in Dickenson County in the future (stronger threats here): http://www.npr.org/2012/04/29/151644045/new-hazard-on-the-horizon-amateur-storm-chasers

It's starting to sound like I should throw some antennae on my roof, lace the sides of my car with chaser tags, and throw a couple light bars on my windows to keep from getting arrested. Being only eighteen years old, I've been harassed by cops on multiple occasions for chasing at "such a young age." I feel age is becoming a target for being labeled as a "Yahoo Chaser," and as "irresponsible."

I know this topic has been discarded as a fib since it is against our rights to be arrested for chasing and/or for chasing to be banned by law, but if a county sheriff starts saying he will arrest on cite, this becomes a more pressing topic.

I see some law suites coming out of this one if this county goes ahead with this. I know for a fact that if I got arrested for being perceived as an amateur chaser, I'd have my school's law department on the line as my first call.
 
I have to admit this is becoming somewhat hilarious to me. I too would like to hear the charges one thinks he is going to levy for taking pictures of the sky. Again, as it has been stated so many times, if you're following the laws there really isn't much he can do. On top of that, if he randomly starts arresting folks without cause, the obvious reaction will likely include a suit against the county/state. At the end of the day most are following the laws and that's all that matters.

All of this being said when my target looked like Salina again over the weekend I decided to use a secondary target as I didn't want to chance dealing with this type of approach. There are far too many counties to chase and far too many people that appreciate what spotter/chasers bring to their areas to worry about this one. At least that will be my approach in the future.
 
I have to admit this is becoming somewhat hilarious to me. I too would like to hear the charges one thinks he is going to levy for taking pictures of the sky. Again, as it has been stated so many times, if you're following the laws there really isn't much he can do.

Are you absolutely sure stopping and/or walking on public highways for non-emergency reasons isn't illegal in those counties?

Who wants to be the first to volunteer to hang the bell on the cat? And will that make things better or worse for us in the long run?

Me, I'd just stay out of Saline County tbh.
 
Are you absolutely sure stopping and/or walking on public highways for non-emergency reasons isn't illegal in those counties?

Who wants to be the first to volunteer to hang the bell on the cat? And will that make things better or worse for us in the long run?

Me, I'd just stay out of Saline County tbh.

If your on I-70 or I-135 in Saline County then yes it is illegal to be walking on the highway. As far as US-Highways or country roads you can walk on them. There are also laws regarding stopping on the roadway so if your stopped in the roadway you can also be ticketed.
 
If your on I-70 or I-135 in Saline County then yes it is illegal to be walking on the highway. As far as US-Highways or country roads you can walk on them. There are also laws regarding stopping on the roadway so if your stopped in the roadway you can also be ticketed.

It's illegal to walk on any interstate highway, in any state (afaik, every state I've ever been in anyway), period - not just in Saline County, and it is illegal to stop on the side of any interstate/limited access highway for any non-emergency reason. In some states you could technically be ticketed for walking on an interstate to get help for a breakdown - they require you to stay with your vehicle and have no exemptions for walking in emergency situations.
 
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It's illegal to walk on any interstate highway, in any state (afaik, every state I've ever been in anyway), period - not just in Saline County, and it is illegal to stop on the side of any interstate/limited access highway for any non-emergency reason. In some states you could technically be ticketed for walking on an interstate to get help for a breakdown - they require you to stay with your vehicle and have no exemptions for walking in emergency situations.

I know this, but a lot of people don't. I wasn't able to chase that day so maybe they had a lot of cars stopping on 70 and people getting out taking pictures. I really don't know. I was just giving examples of what you could be ticketed for. Obviously it goes for all counties not just Saline County.
 
Since I chased on this day and the Saline County storm in particular I thought I would throw in my 2 cents. When looking at the big picture I see it in a different light. I can understand EM's frustration in dealing with the congestion surrounding this storm, they were simply trying to perform their job. But I think all of us are victims of our digital fast food society. Why do we act surprised when we continue to broadcast, TWEET, TUBE, F*C*Book, stream every facet of human society and the results are that your audience shows up to join in. This was well advertised in the media as a dangerous "High Risk" day that does not happen very often in combination with a weekend. Also take in consideration a highly visible tornado on the ground for quite some time with instant digital updates around a major population (Salina) and you have yourself a "perfect storm" no pun. I have never seen traffic around a storm like that since Kingfisher,OK in May 2010, but I think it would be fair to say from my POV that at least half were locals. Bottom line is that if you are not breaking any laws you have nothing to worry about. There is also no turning back to chasing in yesteryear. You should plan on delays in and around a storm.
The two rolling roadblocks I encountered on 135 and 70 may have contibuted to the problem by leaving the only way out (the exits) parking lots. I did see emergency vehicles slowly making there way north at the Solomon exit as the tornado was well north of 70. I did not see them stopped in any way. That's not to say they were not but from what I saw they they made it through.

All things considered I believe this was an isolated event that is becoming more common, but I do think this would have turned out differently if this storm in particular was of the Joplin/El Reno type(ie..hidden tornado). Who can't "chase" what they can see. The positive that get's overlooked is that the tornado lifted before Salina and dropped again after the city. If the worst thing that comes out of this is a little controversy it sure beats dealing with a disaster in a major population.
 
Guess what folks....the public doesn't give a crap about us, our storms, or the light bars we have on our vehicles. The sooner we start realizing that, the better. The sooner we realize calling ourselves a "Storm Chasing Team" because we get to put on our special t-shirts and make ourselves feel all important and special, the better.

Laws, no matter if we like them or not, are coming based upon the previous bad behavior of some people. Seeing people driving into Tor's in Wichita does not help matters either. Seeing video of people cutting off LE is not helping matters any.

We can only poke the hornet's nest so many times while telling ourselves it's for public safety before they get out and start to sting us. When we have 500+ people on some county two lane road, it only gets worse.

And ya know what? The county can do it.

Do you really think your school's 'legal team' is going to defend you? That's laughable. Think you're going to get some senator to help you out because you got arrested in the name of "Public Safety" while you put the county sheriff's life at risk because you parked in the middle of the road? Good luck!

Sorry folks...we're victims of our own success.

Here's how it's going to play down folks, and to some extent already has:

County EM is going to go to his county gov't meeting, and he's going to tell them "We have a problem with storm chasers!". County gov't is
going to sit there and listen to how the EM is detailing chasers are blocking the roads, speeding, using strobe lights, and preventing him
from what he deems his necessary service. (Chasers are busting in on his castle.) County gov't is going to be intrigued, but want more
information. Is their EM complaining just to complain, or does he have an actual problem? Next, county sheriff (most likely an elected
official, like them) starts to speak. He says storm chasers are a problem. They are speeding, blocking roads, and he is tired of seeing
the 'red shoe' come flying through his county speeding and driving on the wrong side of the road, and tired of seeing wanna-be cops come
flying through with their light bars and logos. Says on the 14th of April, the massive amounts of people on the road prevented him from
doing his job and getting to assist people in his county (Tax payers and voters) who were affected by the tornado. County commission gets
even more intrigued. Then, they look at the news, and they see articles from Kansas City, and from NPR. They start to get worried
for their jobs. They are seeing articles like this, and think "Uh, oh, our county sheriff and EM manager are right! This is a problem!"
There is a concern over how they are going to do it, and what about civil liberties and enforceability. They talk about it, and then hold
another meeting. By this time, another Mod risk came out in their area, and they are enthralled again by hundreds of storm chasers.
Then, they see video of so called chaser sticking head out window and screaming while looking at his speedometer doing 90mph down road in
his county. County sheriff and EM manager come and ask when are they going to do something. Joe Q. Farmer comes up and says storm chasers
cut through his wheat fields and destroyed his crops, and then he has to pull them out of the mud. County Sheriff was there, and he agrees.
Says storm chasers are causing havoc in our community. Joe Q. Farmer knows someone on county commission and gets him to buy in. Warns
County commissioner he will run against him unless they do something about storm chasers (Old boys club! Uh-oh! ) County commissioner
values his job. County commission doesn't care if the chasers are out of state or tour companies, or idiots from his own county trying to
imitate the red shoe. County commissioner proposes bad thought out rule at next meeting. County lawyer weighs in, says it may violate
aspects of constitution, but they can also enforce other laws within state, like no distracted driving, (laptops) obstructed driving (dash
cams), light bars (impersonating police), speeding, and interfering with emergency services. County Sheriff likes this idea. He gets
giddy with joy. A few chasers complain. Skywarn Ham Radio guy weighs in - says county EM is right for first time in his life. Says chasers
are preventing them from doing their job and playing with radios. Passing mention of chasers using ham radio frequencies, then falls
asleep at podium. County EM guy says Skywarn guy is right for first time in his life. County commissioners go "this is a first - they are
getting along and agree! Gulp!" County commissioners still nervous about being ran against, pass some poor law outlawing chasing or
giving permission to the county sheriff to shut down main roads. County sheriff is happy. He gets to arrest people. County EM is
happy, he gets law passed and his castle is his again. County commissioners are happy because Joe Farmer won't run against them or
complain. County skywarn guy is happy and goes back to coffee and cookies and playing with radio. Joe Farmer is happy and goes back to
playing with tractors and farming and paying taxes.

Chasers unhappy.


County doesn't care.

Chasers try to come in and chase next 5% risk.

County Sheriff shuts down roads and writes a dozen tickets and pulls chasers over.

Chasers complain.

County commissioners don't care because Sheriff, EM, and Joe Farmer happy. Status quo, right?

Some chasers with money file lawsuit, says infringing on rights.

County goes "We don't care, you break speeding laws and cause havoc, and we don't like the red shoe."

County lawyer goes to court, complains about the red shoe and car accidents, and shows video of idiots driving into tornado in Kansas.
Says this is problem.

Supreme court in state agrees this could be a problem, and then what?

Chasers mumble, complain on Storm Track about their 'Noble' cause and how they save lives, but law may or may not get overturned.

Chasers rejoice or cry. Still chase anyways.

County sheriff still hands out tickets for speeding and everything else he can think of. County EM guy is happy because there are less chasers out in his county because people are avoiding it.

Chasers still grumpy.

No one outside of the chasing community cares.

Overall, we are a fairly small group when it comes to the big picture. We all like seeing our video on TV, and getting interviewed by The
Weather Channel, but when it comes down to it, we're a small group. We are not viewed in a positive light by many people in the counties
and states and cities we live in. Why? Because we are the harbingers of death and destruction. Because of behavior like those people driving into tornadoes in Wichita. Because of people pulling out in front of the County Sheriff. Because of people blocking roads while trying to view a storm. Because we have a thousand and one light bars and kids who are acting like idiots on the roads.

We are the victims of our own 'success' and unless WE as individuals change it, I see the above scenario playing out time and time again up
and down the plains. No amount of our complaining or saying the Ron Paul line about our 'rights' will really get us far. Once the
Atomic Twister and Space Tornado movie success wanes, hopefully it will cut down on the number of people on the plains.

Thoughts are my own, don't represent my employers, yadda yadda yadda.
 
If they do ill make a special trip there to prove your theory wrong. They already came out and said there isn't a problem with trained spotters etc though so we'll just have to wait and see.
 
If they do ill make a special trip there to prove your theory wrong. They already came out and said there isn't a problem with trained spotters etc though so we'll just have to wait and see.

I agree but don't think it will ever come to this. I think some of you who think you have an idea how law making and politics work are talking out of your backsides. You clearly aren't paying attention to government at any level if you think anything is going to come out of this in the way of new laws. There are far too many other important programs that have been cut in the past 5 years and tax payers/voters are not going to react kindly to their representatives wasting time on 'storm chasing'.

As it has been stated many times, the laws in place already give them the tools to handle situations such as I 70. Also, as stated previously, even if they were somehow able to create anti-storm chasing legislation, how will the enforce it. Again, things such as pulling over for emergency vehicles are already addressed when you turn 16 and get your drivers license.
 
How about instead of getting upset about this, we set an example and try to right the wrongs done in the eyes of the Emergency Management community?

The best way to defuse any situation is humility. Individually we may not be responsible for this issue, but obviously there are people with concerns. The best thing we can do is ease those concerns, be humble, obey the law, and offer a helping hand to law enforcement whenever appropriate. Call me naive, but kindness goes a long way. And even if certain law enforcement personnel are just stubborn enough to not accept kindness, at least they can find no fault in your actions.

Haters will hate. The best way to stick it to them is to give them no fault to find.
 
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