Chasing with a Netbook

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I've been thinking about using a small netbook in the car this season instead of my 17" Toshiba monster. I chase in a small car and a 9" netbook would be much easier to mount. Is there anyone currently running the typical chasing software on a netbook? I'm mostly curious about GRLevel3 since it would be the most graphics-intensive application. I would also run Delorme, GPSGate, a web browser, etc. and maybe streaming video.

There was a short thread on netbooks around Christmas of last year but it didn't sound like they had much traction at the time. I like the size and the price but I don't want to buy one if it isn't going to do the job.
 
If you want a small laptop, I highly recommend the Eee PC that you can pick up from Best Buy

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage...ee+PC&lp=1&type=product&cp=1&id=1218053145846

I picked one up about two weeks ago and I love it. It is a 10" widescreen display, a small laptop but really it's a good system made by Asus. The processor is 1.6GHz with 1GB of RAM with a 160GB hard drive. It has built in WiFi, 4 USB ports, no CDROM but you could buy an external. It runs Windows XP and I have all my apps I use for chasing installed on it.

The only downfall is that it doesn't have a PCMCIA ExpressCard slot on it, so if you want to use a data card you'd either need a USB one or find a PCMCIA to USB adapter. Either way though for $329, it's a great little PC. I have GRLevel3, StormLab, and my GPS installed on it and everything runs great.
 
Thanks, that is just the info I was looking for. I've been looking at the Dell Mini 9 but I'll run up to Best Buy and look at the Asus models also.

I don't know much about the Inspiron Mini 9 laptops, I know our computer hardware techs where I work worked on a couple Mini 9 laptops and they didn't have anything good to say about them. I love the Eee PC though, I'm probably going ot get me an external CD Rom for it here before too long.
 
If you're going with a netbook, I highly recommend an HP2133. They're a business class laptop, and are slightly more expensive than the eee PC line up, but they make up for it with much better performance. I have one, and the full size keyboard, express card slot and tough aluminum case really sell it. Its a tough little thing, nothing like the all plastic, toy-like eee PCs.

Depending on your location, one of the local electronics chains around here has the best version (2GB ram 160GB HD 1.7GHz processor) for $450. I've got one in my chase vehicle and can't imagine going back to a full size laptop.

With it's VGA output built in, you can add a scan converter and a nice 12" flip down TV screen or computer monitor to make the screen easier to see if you really need that extra resolution.
 
I picked up an EeePC last week from TigerDirect.com. It is basically the same one Joey linked above, but with a six-cell battery. 1.6 GHz Atom processor, 1 gig memory, and a 160 gig hard drive. I've been really impressed with the build quality.

I just finished installing all of my normal chasing apps, plus a few others I use for travel. The last things on the list are my bluetooth dongle driver and the driver for my PDA phone for data. I'm on the road this weekend so I'll get a chance to try it out. Overall, the performance has been much better than I would have expected.
 
I picked up an EeePC last week from TigerDirect.com. It is basically the same one Joey linked above, but with a six-cell battery. 1.6 GHz Atom processor, 1 gig memory, and a 160 gig hard drive. I've been really impressed with the build quality.

I just finished installing all of my normal chasing apps, plus a few others I use for travel. The last things on the list are my bluetooth dongle driver and the driver for my PDA phone for data. I'm on the road this weekend so I'll get a chance to try it out. Overall, the performance has been much better than I would have expected.

Yeah the Eee PC is a great little notebook, it's powerful for its size and it has good hardware.
 
One advantage of any of these netbooks I forgot to mention, with a little tinkering, they can very affordably be made into touch screen notebooks. Darn handy for panning and zooming. You can find kits on eBay that run about $60. I'm fitting an eee PC 9" touchscreen kit into a removable add-on to my 2133.
 
A netbook meets the minimum requirements for GR and Delorme applications? I didn't think they came close.

If that is the truth, and they run fast, that would be a nice, affordable option for those of us just wanting to have a laptop for essentially those programs and do the photo/video stuff on the desktop.
 
They meet the minimum, but not the recommended in most cases. SwiftWX is usable but a little laggy. GR3 seems to work a little better so long as you don't ask it to smooth. I don't know what the new Atom based netbooks can do, but I do know the old 800MHz eee PCs failed horribly at even running intensive websites like WX Underground.
 
The Eee PC does just fine at running all applications I have installed on it including GRLevel3, StormLab, Street Atlas and Delorme. I have other stuff installed as well, some work related, and it does fine.
 
I have been seriously looking at a netbook to replace my big, heavy, power hungry Toshiba Satellite. I have a couple of questions, maybe someone can help me out.

1st is processor Atom or Celeron...which one is better? I will be using this netbook strictly for chasing, so It needs to be able to run GRLevel3, and Streets and Trips, and IE for data analysis. Is overheating a problem with either of these?

2nd is hard drive...traditional 100+GB HD or the smaller solid state 16 GB HD? I like the idea of no moving parts. Does anyone know the pros and cons with either?

3rd is visibility in daylight...my toshiba has a very glossy screen which makes it difficult to see in sunlight. Are any of the models out there any better in this regard?
 
The Atoms are insanely power efficient and produce little heat. There are only a couple netbooks that run a celery, and they aren't really the big contenders (pardon the pun). 95% of them are Atom 1.7GHz/1.8GHz or VIA C7 1.7GHz. The atom performs better than the C7, as its newer and takes advantages of a number of improvements. The C7 (particularly in the 2133) can get damn hot. I think that was the big reason HP went with an aluminum case, its a nice heatsink :) Unfortunately, the Atom hasn't shown up in the 'business class' netbooks like the 2133 yet. I'd try for an Atom if thats the only difference between models. The celery is the bottom of the pile in nearly all respects, and even managed to lose to the C7 in most benchmarks.

Hard drive wise, there was a lot of talk early on when the flash hard drives became available that they'd be far more power efficient. In theory, if the drive spends a lot more time idle than it does working, yes the solid state drives are a bit more efficient. In any application such as mapping where the drive is getting constantly hit, they draw about even. There is the advantage of (theoretically) better vibration and shock resistance, but I haven't seen a whole lot on this topic outside a few industry journals. I opted for a larger traditional hard drive so I could use it to empty my HD video camera and DSLR in mid chase if necessary.

As for visibility in daylight, this is a big beef with a lot of netbook owners. Backlight kills batteries fast, period. On my 2133 by going from max to min brightness, my battery life typically improves by about 15-20%. Some of the lower end netbooks will skimp in this department for the sake of the battery. A few like the 2133 and the Dell have gotten high marks for screen usability outside, so long as you crank the brightness all the way up. My 2133 has a 'brightview' screen which is positively gorgeous, but glare is a problem. There are anti-glare stick-on and 'bolt on' sheets that can cut down on that though.

I always advocate "try before you buy" with laptops, but doubly so with netbooks. Each has its quirks and trade-offs, and you have to be certain that particular model has trade-offs you can live with. I personally loath the eee PC keyboard and plastic, flimsy feel, and that's what drove me to the HP 2133. Somebody with smaller, more nimble hands who rarely types much probably won't mind the keyboard. I envy the eee PC's Atom processor and the sheer volume of cool accessories and hacks out there though.

There is a bit of a twist in the netbook market that buyers need to be aware of. You'll notice that nearly all are capped at 1GB of ram, and a 1.7 or 1.8GHz processor. This is because Microsoft is artificially manipulating the market by requiring these 'maximum capabilities' be met in order for manufacturers to continue offering XP. My 2133 supports 2GB of ram, and is one of the very few that does. This made a big performance difference (turned off the page file), but it meant that the laptop came with Vista, which is totally unusable. Nothing a quick re-install can't fix though.
 
Eee PC runs radar apps just fine

I've got an Eee PC, I believe the same model Joey mentioned, and mine runs all my radar apps just fine. Smoothing works fine on them for those that use it. I even run GR2AE on mine along with GRL3 and SL4SC and they all run fine. The volume explorer on GR2AE works fine. I upgraded the ram to 2GB on mine, but all the radar apps ran fine on it with the 1GB it came with.

I've been very impressed with my Eee PC so far, it's an awesome little netbook. I have not regretted getting it at all.
 
Celeron sucks, they tend to have slower performance. I would never own a PC with a Celeron processor. And I would go with a solid state hard drive. Obviously having no moving parts it will last much longer and less wear and tear than your standard hard drive.
 
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