Canon EFS 17-55 F2.8 IS -- good or bad?

"...It just may be possible, even with CAD aided design, that lens/camera combinations have become too complicated. Look at the element design for a wide-angle to tele zoom, then add macro focus and auto focus to the mix..." -Gene Moore

I think that is true if a lens Mfg builds lenses that try to cover too big of a range in any one lens. Especially if they build it to the wide-to-telephoto range. It might be true of the 17-55mm f/2.8 - I can't say for sure - because I haven't tried one or owned one. I DO know this lens is supposed to be a clear winner by most of the reviews that I've read and studied. Personally, I have the 10-22mm for the ultra wide-angle to normal range - and a 24-70mm to handle the normal-to-medium telephoto range. I can't see much use for anything more than that for storm chasing. Having a 70mm+ focal length zoom is good for birdie pictures. That is OK if that is what you want to do; but if I were to buy any other lens than the two major ranges - I think I would want a 100mm prime macro. Macro photography is a real kick - too!!!

The 18-55mm (which shares a similar focal range) kit lens is a loser for a number of reasons. I know that for sure because I have one (because I bought the kit deal). The 18-55mm suffers from a terminal/incurable case of a yellow cast in prints, an undamped focus ring, a focus ring that isn't large enough to grip properly (especially if your hands are average or larger), and it doesn't have a fine usable focus anywhere in its range (the lens extends from its casing and WOBBLES at the end!!). And if you put on a cheap UV filter - it becomes unusable JUNK!

I'd sell mine - with a new rubber hood (almost new - hardly used) for seventy bucks. Heck, I'll even throw in the shipping in for free - too. I'd feel guilty to not tell anyone what I thought of it if I did ended up selling it to them. The XSi kit lens has IS in it (w/the same focal range) - I sure hope they improved the optics a whole bunch. Otherwise - IS or not - it is still junk. Unless you are satisfied with mediocre results.

Storm photography demands a lot - I think. Not only does one need good gear and the know-how to use it, but the processing that follows almost rates a degree from a major educational institution. Maybe they should offer a minor degree for it - it does require lots of reading and lab experience. A few hundred hours of such work should be worth considerable college credit. Why not?

Some lens Mfg do make a 10x+ power zoom. Tamron has announced such a lens that boasts of a wide aperture and the wide-ange end (18mm) - and goes all the way to 250mm! Maybe it will work with CAD, good engineers, and some new ideas. Or it will be destined to mediocrity because it won't work well enough within its extensive range to accomplish anything noteworthy or able to be critcally accurate within its range.
 
A few corrections:
"...I'd sell my XTI kit lense - with a new rubber hood (almost new - hardly used) for seventy bucks. Heck, I'll even throw in the shipping in for free - too. I'd feel guilty to not tell anyone what I thought of it if I did ended up selling it to them.

On the other hand, if you purchased the XSi w/kit lens - this lens has IS ('Image Stabilization' w/the same focal range) - I sure hope they improved the optics a whole bunch. Otherwise - IS or not - it is still junk. Unless you are satisfied with mediocre results..."

The Tamron I spoke about isn't a 18-250mm lens - it is a 18-270mm lens
Link:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0807/08073001Tamron18270.asp
 
It just may be possible, even with CAD aided design, that lens/camera combinations have become too complicated. Look at the element design for a wide-angle to tele zoom, then add macro focus and auto focus to the mix. On top of that the camera's alignment must be bang-on with the lens or the whole thing won't work right.
Naw. :cool:

The engineers can do it. As usual, its the morons in management that screw everything up. If Canon is building crap $1000 lenses, you can bet its because some production manager or purchasing agent is trying to pinch pennies by using cheap-ass vendors.

Dock to Stock is the latest 'jackass' fad in the corporate world. You supposedly validate a given vendor (ALWAY the cheapest bums you can find), then rely on them to do their own QC. Incoming QC is vastly reduced or even eliminated altogether. Genius! Needless to say, this just doesn't work with precision components. Complex lens systems often need very tight spacing, tilt and concentricity control. If a single optic, or its cell, is warped, wedged, or off center by even a small degree, the performance of the entire lens system will suffer. I'm sure the lens systems are designed to survive a reasonable about dimensional error. I'm also sure that management will buy cheapest junk they can find that will (just) meet those design limits.

Last I looked, Canon supposedly made all their own lens elements. You can bet, however, that the mechanicals are farmed out to the lowest bidder. I suspect they are also farming out production of entire sub-assemblies, since that seems to be all the rage in the optics business. Once a tech company gives up control of critical components, they invariably begin to suffer from erratic quality. A given vendor may perform well for a few months (long enough to get certified) but they will eventually pull their best people off your job. When the 'B Team' takes over, the level of quality instantly drops. You'll suddenly see entire lots that are just barely within spec. Since you're spot-checking (at best), some garbage lots will eventually get into the production queue. IMO, It's these 'B team' parts (or a combination of parts that bust the tolerance budget) that are responsible for 'bad copies' of otherwise high end goods. Eventually the customer discovers the garbage and yells at the vendor. The A-Team rides to the rescue, and everyone is happy for a while. (In theory, the craptastic vendor is supposed to be sanctioned, but that never seems to happen.) Rinse-repeat.

I inspect optics for a living (at least for a few more months, at which time they are shutting us down and moving production to Singapore) and have seen this quality cycle occur time and time again.


At any rate, anyone who's suffered close proximity to the 18~55mm kit lens will instinctively understand that only some pointy haired Dilbert refugee could have signed off on production of that abomination. That thing was clearly built to an impossible price point.
 
"...I inspect optics for a living (at least for a few more months, at which time they are shutting us down and moving production to Singapore) and have seen this quality cycle occur time and time again..." -Greg Campbell

Which of these lens Mfr's do you work for -BTW? Interesting job.
So you think that a company like Tamron can make this do-it-all lens a viable and sought-after product? I'm kinda interested in Tamrons - especially the 28-75mm f/2.8 and their 90mm macro - why don't they suffer from QC problems nearly as much as Sigma?

If ALL lens Mfr's did manage to keep their lens production on an even keel and warrantied them without question & with all due speed - then used lenses would fetch frighteningly higher prices in that market.

Which lenses survives that cut and hold their value the most in the long run? Surely Nikon, Canon, Pentax, and a few choice other prosumer DSLR's still survive. And the 3rd party aftermarket lenses don't seem to fair as well (Tamron, Sigma, Tokina, Etc). So what are the factors that make that statement true? Better still - what are the mitigating factors that destine the 3rd party lenses with doom?

Customer Service. Whether it be the retailer who sold you the lens - or the Mfr that needs to uphold their reputation in order to survive a growing market and stiff competition. They are both in it for the duration - yes? It is a tragedy to let a $1000 lens escape the clutches of QC, and a crime to resell that same defective lens. This is why I feel that either Canon, Nikon, or Pentax (and the exception of a precious few others) are the only real candidates to choose from.

Frankly, I would like to try a Tamron or Sigma, but I just won't/can't trust the lot with my hard-earned scratch! With such an unsatisfactory customer ratio due to faulty or sub par performance. Frankly - I don't know how they survive if it wasn't for the retailer that sold it to the customer in the first place that strives to keep up their reputation in order to just stay in business.

If one peruses the used lens market at Adorama or B&h, one finds a graveyard of these same lenses that have been returned and repaired; then sold (if at all possible) on their site. The category should be called "the high -risk group".

If either Sigma (worst offender) or Tamron were to suddenly jump up, reorganize their QC, and take care of their responsibility to their own products, I wonder if they haven't already done irreparable harm to their reputation that to put themselves out of business in the next few years. Time will tell...
 
At least you do indeed get a tank for the thousand bucks. And if your copy is bad, it's not like you are stuck with it.

I had a Canon 100-400mm L I sent back after I got it. I sent it back and exchanged it for another copy. I'm not sure if it was bad, after I've now had the second copy for a while...

I purchased this lens about 2 months ago and I'm sooo unhappy with it. The more I use it, the more annoyed I get. It's just so soft past 300mm. For that kind of cash, should I have any significant softness? I might as well sell it on Ebay and buy a 300mm prime. How do I know if I have a bad lens or if it really is a softness issue?

Melanie
 
I purchased this lens about 2 months ago and I'm sooo unhappy with it. The more I use it, the more annoyed I get. It's just so soft past 300mm. For that kind of cash, should I have any significant softness? I might as well sell it on Ebay and buy a 300mm prime. How do I know if I have a bad lens or if it really is a softness issue?

Melanie

I'll say this about the lens....it is highly annoying. I'd venture a guess 95% of my images with it wind up soft, especially if it's not just a landscape photo, but even those mostly do. It's capable of sharp though, all the way through the range. It's just having the focus completely perfect. It's really really really really sensitive and picky. I wouldn't give up on it, unless you can send it back for a trade like I was able to. I don't even mess with auto focus unless I have to, just because I know it's not going to hit that perfect location. I can sit there and turn it a billion times and never feel like I stop it just right. Everyonce in a while though, I do and it is sharp. So I know mine is my problem, not the lens. The small dark view finders on the crop cams don't help things.
 
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