Another moron on Spotter Network

'nuff said. It's unfortunate that this thread has carried on this long. People make mistakes. It's pointless to argue about it when it happens. I'm a "newbie". I know I will make mistakes. I am here to learn so I can miminize the amount that I do make, but I will make them regardless. I don't spend my time worrying about things I can't control, but I can certainly understand why you feel the way you do. Your only human. What else can be expected of you?
 
I will say this...I have a lot more respect for you now since you came here and said your piece. However, since you said you've chased about every storm in the last 4 years from TX to Canada, that was a pretty serious mistake from someone of your experience. I have to agree with Tim...there is nothing in those images that even remotely looks like a wedge tornado. I say it's ok to keep chasing, but leave the reporting to the chasers and spotters that can accurately give ground truth reports.
 
'nuff said. It's unfortunate that this thread has carried on this long. People make mistakes. It's pointless to argue about it when it happens.

Do you really think it's pointless to discuss someone making a false report of a wedge tornado? I think it's pretty serious, and this discussion is part of the learning process.

I think it's very fortunate that this thread has carried over this long. What if we didn't make such a big deal about it? Maybe she would make another mistake like this again. She has now learned that reports are taken very serious, and she needs to learn more about storms before she gives any more reports.
 
Any way you cut it, it was a bad report and should not of been submitted.

There are a lot of bad reports made that should not be made, it happens every year and more alarming is the fact I've seen many bad reports coming from first responders (EMS, Fire, Police) acting as storm spotters. Case in point, several years ago we had a severe thunderstorm passing through my county, I was out in position watching the storm. On the same road I was on was a sheriff deputy, he reported a tornado. There were no tornadoes, had there been a tornado at the location the deputy claimed it would have been on top of me. I'm pretty sure I wasn't in or near a tornado. It was low hanging clouds.

Mistakes are made that lead to false reports, I don't think this is something that will ever go away.
 
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Do you really think it's pointless to discuss someone making a false report of a wedge tornado? I think it's pretty serious, and this discussion is part of the learning process.

I totally agree that it's pretty serious and that there should be discussion about it. I'm all for it. However, is it necessary to call her a moron, call for her to be arrested, make bikini references. Berating in this way, for some, is necessary, but isn't there another way to get your (meaning everyone) point across?
 
To me, discussions of bad SN reports ARE necessary so people can learn about mistakes others have made (if the mistake was unintentional). Just because Stormtrack has a few "dirt hounds" that look up the person Facebook and other background to demean them doesn't make these discussions unnecessary. There will always be people like that. I'm not saying I condone their actions, but I know reality says that these people will always be there.
Erin, you definitely have alot of guts to come on here and defend your name. But I have to agree with the others that say the pictures you submitted do NOT resemble a tornado...it looks like a common rain shaft. The lack of a wall cloud is also very telling IMO. A tornado that large would most likely have alot more classic features. It would be interesting to see what kind of radar data you were looking at also.
 
I am a novice, but maybe there should be some sort of 3 strikes and you out thing? Or maybe some sort of spotter rating level based off experience and confirmed calls?
 
My name is Scott Olson, in 2004 I reported a wedge tornado near Tea, SD. About twenty minutes later I came to reliaze it was in fact a whole bunch of scud that was being blocked by an elevation change. Yep, you read that right, I too am a moron! In fact, I may be the worse kind of moron.

I don't want any of you to work too hard so I have provided the link to my Facebook account. http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=654280429

Of course many of you already have me as a Facebook friend. If you feel so inclined, I have included instructions on how to remove me as a friend.

http://www.facebook.com/help/?faq=12066

Yes, I do look good in a bikini.


The long stretches and vast oceans of prairie seem untouched by the hands of time. Each chase begins with anticipation and the possibility of what seems impossible. The opportunity to be pushed completely out of the monotony of our self-created world and to become observant in the endlessness of what is above us. The sky is inevitably stuck in a state of imbalance.


Every violent storm that passes also comes with an amazing peace, where the sunset colors the sky and a cool northern wind blows through the fields. Where rainbows inspire some to wonder, how there can be something so beautiful and yet so destructive. Each of these moments speak to why we chase.



-Scott Olson

Moron.


 
Discusions of bad reports are a good thing. Name calling not so good. Erin, please respond to my email of a few days ago regarding your report. I'd like to discuss privately.

Regarding the other topics in this thread. The SN is always looking for ways of improving the quality of the reports in all aspects. We all make mistakes, but the smart ones learn from them and improve. The ones that don't get banned.

Erin has not been banned. In fact I can only think of 4 people who have been banned, 3 for malicous reports and one for unprofessional behavior (he refused to accept the learning opportunity). Her account has been locked pending review. Big difference.
 
1. Is the cloud base rotating?
2. Is the item your looking at rotating on a vertical axis?
3. Is there a dust-debris or items being kicked up?
4. Is it in the right position within the storm?

Remember, there does not have to be a visible condensation funnel
to have a tornado.

These are the items we constantly remind folks of, including myself when the
pulse starts racing.


No report would of been better then this report. But then it happens.
Like Tyler said, learn and move on , don't learn and die. Well he sort of said that.


Slow down, be sure of what you see, reduce your report to only the needed facts.

Reset, continue on.

Tim
 
My name is Joey Ketcham, storm chaser since 1997 with a life long interest in severe weather. I too am a moron.

It was in Spring of 1999 about 10:00 at night. I was on the side of the road watching a storm that was moving through the county. The storm was LP, wasn't raining where I was at. Lightning flashed which illuminated what, to me, looked like a tornado. I sat there and watched it for a few minutes, it was trekking off to the NE with the storm. It continued to look like a narrow tornado. I proceeded to report it as being a tornado. That is correct, I too reported a rainshaft as being a tornado. Another spotter was closer to it and actually got hit by the precip, so my incorrect report didn't get that far, but nonetheless I still reported a rainshaft as being a tornado.

That was in 1999, I learned from that and also learned a lot more since then and have prevented from making that same mistake again. Point being, none of us are perfect. We are all subjected to making mistakes, that doesn't make anyone a moron. It's the mistakes we make in life that allows us to better ourselves so that we don't make them again. If the one who made the mistake learns from it, great! I know I did when I made the same mistake back in 1999.

I do think discussions like this is important, however I think calling someone a moron without even knowing the person or the circumstances surrounding the report was done in bad taste. I think people are too quick to jump on the bandwagon to speak ill of people and call them names when a mistake is made. Instead of bashing Erin, this could be a great learning opportunity for not just Erin but for other new chasers and spotters coming on board.

That's just my .02 cents.
 
Thanks for taking the time to come in here an post, Erin -- pretty brave thing to do, considering the din. It's understandable that you're miffed that you've been labeled a moron and that comments have come up about your appearance. One action can never define who we are as a person, and so one label following one action isn't fair. And obviously, it doesn't matter what you look like or what your gender is when it comes to something like this.

Your report was wrong and the pictures that you posted, even when seen by storm chasers that weren't there (I was there) support the idea that you don't really know enough about storm attributes to be reliably reporting things to the NWS. I'd go so far as to say that you should remain extra conservative when chasing out there (i.e., not getting too close to the storms), as confusing those rain feet with a wedge suggests that you don't really understand storm structure well enough to keep yourself out of harm's way. Of course, that's your personal choice and it's no biz of mine how you do or don't chase, just try to stay safe out there. From personal experience, I've found the most dangerous thing I can do as a chaser is overestimate my skill and knowledge at chasing.

A couple of words of advice regarding your reply: I have found that, generally, posting a CV and listing every smart book you've ever read is not the best rhetorical method for laying out your case for who you are to other people. While it's nice that you've read Proust and are attending a college only a step below ivy league, it's not really relevant to this specific situation. It's certainly relevant to the accusation that you are somehow a moron -- but lets be honest, people who say things like that generally aren't swayed by logical lists of contradictory information. And since (in America, at least) the expectation of modesty is a powerful rhetorical tool, explaining to people how smart you are (even if it's really true) only creates a situation where your audience is more likely to latch onto how much you apparently think of yourself instead of what you're actually trying to say.

(It is, BTW, a good idea to be modest about yourself.)

The other thing I'd suggest is to be careful with the image that you portray to the world on Facebook. Your privacy settings are such that I can see quite a bit of info about you and browse through many of your pictures of yourself, and I am not "friended" or connected to you in any way. It's up to each person to decide how they want to be seen by their peers, but many of your publicly available pictures present a fairly non-professional and arguably sexually charged image of yourself (by western standards). This may come back to bite you, unless that's the image you want to portray. (But your reply in this thread strongly suggests that it's not.) If it's annoying as hell when people make comments about how you look in a string bikini, why post tagged pictures of yourself posing provocatively in a string bikini publicly on the internet? Does not compute.

At any rate, I'm only me and can't speak for everyone on Stormtrack, but I'd encourage you to stick around. Read, post, and keep learning. And ignore the jerks. (Literally, use Stormtrack's ignore feature. The jerks will be pretty obvious to you as you click around.) Glad you posted here; took a lot of moxie.
 
I've been (seriously) chasing since 2007. Erin, you learned the hard way at how merciless the chaser community can be at times. Trust me...I found out the hard way too! For all you chasers who forgot, think back to my W IL chase on May 13th 2009 (the same day as the Kirksville, MO tornado). Although I did not report a tornado I was "excited" you could say over, yes, rainshafts. With it getting dark it looked like it could be funnel/tornado in my "newbie" state. But because I could not tell for SURE, I never officially reported anything. But boy...you didn't want to tell the chaser community that! They still tore me apart telling me everything I did wrong.

I think Erin DOES have a good point. Maybe the chasing community needs to be a little more forgiving? Some of the things said against Erin were wrong and ridiculous. And it is pretty creepy for some of you to be "searching" her on Google and other sites. If we want to truly be a tight-knit "community" then I think maybe we should stop name calling and such. Common sense would say so! There ARE others that do purposely make false reports but if its something like what Erin had done, where it was truly a mistake, then what was all the name calling for? And I know how she feels...I was subjected to the same things as her

Just learn from your mistakes Erin, and move on. I think its safe to say everyone makes mistakes, no matter how "experienced" they are. I've learned to always air on the side of caution. You have a lot more respect from me at least, as you came onto this forum and defended yourself
 
I apologize for my use of the word 'moron'. It had been a long two days of driving with little sleep. It was uncalled for. Sorry.

But, again, I didn't use that word because of what you thought you saw, I used it because you reported it. And it's false reports like this that undermine and discredit all of the accurate reports and keep SN from being a much more valuable ground truth tool.

If a tornado warning was issued based on your false report it likely would have included parts of the densely populated Lincoln area. That would have meant patients in hospitals and elderly people in retirement homes would have been herded to shelter. Not to mention shutting down every business in the warning. And on top of that, 'warning complacency' is already an awful problem- maybe there would have been somebody who didn't believe they needed to seek shelter the next time a tornado warning was issued because of your false report. Tornado reports (real and fake) are a matter of life and death and are not to be taken lightly.
 
Yes, we all make mistakes. Probably wasn't wise to call names, but it happens so often how do you decipher one from the other. We saw her icon numerous times this past week and a half. We may have even been parked down the road a time or two. I know when she made the report, Adam and I looked at each other with a "wtf?" expression on our faces. On NWSChat the report went unverified from numerous other chasers, so we wrote it off. I think what struck it odd to me was that both of the reports I saw from her in those two days were in paragraph form. Not saying that is a bad thing, but other than it being an incorrect assumption, I felt it really set the stage for what she thought was happening. I guess it's better to give detailed info than not enough (of course its better to give right info than wrong ;) ). I did take a shot at her in my report thread, didn't call her any names, just made reference to her bad report and for that I am sorry. My respect for her (not that that means anything to anyone else or maybe even her) just sky-rocketed for coming here and defending herself. I encourage you to make more reports, we all get confused at times. Don't let anyone discourage you.
 
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