8.9 Earthquake has struck Japan

Nicholas_Scherber said:
Watch video > I dont buy it but...
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Well, his beaching scenario is pretty factual but his windows have been wrong quite a few times but at those times he wasn't so keen on following what animals would tell us. To me it's pretty simple, you have all of this action on one side of the ring and it has to react to others. In the case of California all of the small ones do keep things moving and helps avoid the bigger ones. The Cascadia scenario though might be more likely. There have been more events in the last year near the Cascadia are that would seem like stress is building but??? As far as fish kills and beachings... There have been a bunch more in the last week that he didn't speak of.
 
Anyone know if the radiation levels and doses that they must be monitoring closer to the reactor are being made public, except for those brief press releases?
 
New close-ups of the reactors from 3/23:



Also you have probably heard of three injured yesterday working on No. 3 unit "emergency" yesterday, including radiation burns. 3 is the one that uses "mixed oxide fuel" (MOX) containing plutonium.

Also passing along this blog of interest. The author of the blog is a PhD candidate in Geology and Geophysics at M.I.T. She has a series of audio interviews there with her dad, who is Commander Mark L. Mervine (retired), a nuclear engineer. This is to preface the series of interviews:
My dad does not usually swear. He’s usually a reserved man of few words. When my dad starts swearing and talking on and on about something, you know that he’s upset. All day yesterday, my dad kept saying “Ohhhh s&*t” when he heard the news about the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant being hit by an earthquake and then a tsunami.When I interviewed my dad earlier today, he had much to say.


My dad- Commander Mark L. Mervine, US Navy– is a nuclear expert who has worked on both nuclear submarines and nuclear power plants. I wanted to find out why my dad is so concerned about the Fukushima Daiichi power plant, so I called him up just a few minutes ago and recorded the call. I asked my dad all of the questions I had about the nuclear disaster. I hope this phone interview answers some of the questions you have. If you are at all concerned about the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant disaster, you MUST listen to this conversation.
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There have now been 11 interviews with him. Yes, it's one man's opinion - but it's one man who should know what he's talking about and how to interpret the information that is coming out. The blog: http://georneys.blogspot.com/


A-MAZING video. The driver apparently survived. Guessing law enforcement, since he had a cam running. Maybe he is part of next season's Discovery Channel's Tsunami Chasers!

 
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I have largely stopped posting because the news we get now is old and delayed. It was obvious the containment('s) were breached long before now, that radiation levels were very high and that they were polluting the air and water long before they ever admit it. Radioactive iodine is 1260 times higher than safe / legal limits in the water near the coast of the Fukushima Fukup. The list goes on and on.

Days after the low level radiation arrived here, the US EPA admitted that 20% of the nations 114 radiation monitoring stations were offline for unknown reasons or possibly maintenance.

Take a read of this: IEER
 
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Here is a New Scientist article with headline similar to Jeff's links: http://www.newscientist.com/article...dioactive-fallout-nears-chernobyl-levels.html

Austrian researchers have used a worldwide network of radiation detectors – designed to spot clandestine nuclear bomb tests – to show that iodine-131 is being released at daily levels 73 per cent of those seen after the 1986 disaster. The daily amount of caesium-137 released from Fukushima Daiichi is around 60 per cent of the amount released from Chernobyl.
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Jim Saueressig said:
Via Kyodo News

Radioactive iodine 134 extremely high in water at No.2 reactor.

10 mil. times normal level of radioactivity in water at No.2 reactor :eek:

Radioactive iodine 1,850 times limit in sea near plant
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Assuming someone didn't garble the atomic mass of the isotope in question...
I-134 has a very short half life - 53 minutes! There 'should' be essentially none floating about, apart from what may arises from the decay of longer lived fission fragments.

This table http://www.meti.go.jp/press/20110327001/20110327001-4.pdf comes from the Japanese Govt., http://www.meti.go.jp/press/20110327001/20110327001.html
If accurate, it would strongly imply that reactor 2 (or perhaps its spent fuel pond?) has somehow regained criticality. It shows a number of short-lived 'topes: Te-99 6hr, I-134 53min, LA-140 1.6days.
 
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You beat me to it, Greg. My first thought when I heard the report about iodine in the seawater was, "Why are they reporting on a short half-life isotope that shouldn't be a long-term problem in the ocean?"

Put this together with the belated rush to replace seawater with fresh for cooling and the obvious conclusion is that the hot, damaged fuel assemblies have been corroding and crusting up like a coffee-maker. They're also still not saying much about the #4 spent-fuel pond which from all I've read is a serious problem.
 
Robert Rohloff said:
Another 6.5 quake off shore with a tsunami warning in effect for the east coast of Japan.
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Do 6.5's generate tsunamis? My understanding was probably not in most cases, but maybe along the Japan coastline. Also, as a preliminary measurement that 6.5 could be bumped up.
 
B Ozanne said:
Do 6.5's generate tsunamis? My understanding was probably not in most cases, but maybe along the Japan coastline. Also, as a preliminary measurement that 6.5 could be bumped up.
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There are tsunamis and then there are tsunamis. Japan can have local and regional tsunamis that can only devastate nearby coasts, but can do so in only a few minutes, from earthquakes apparently as small as mag. 4.2. It isn't going to produce a long-lived wave, but if it is sufficently close to the coast line it can still be damaging. Obviously, it also has to be the right sort of a quake (that results in water displacement).

Ignoring tsunami potential, a quake has to be a mag 5 to be considered a serious quake, from a potential damage perspective, and it must be a mag 6 or greater to get a "bold red" treatment on the USGS "big quake" page.
 
Anybody following this thread (or this story) with any interest may recall the explosion of the supression pool to unit No. 3 (the one that used MOX fuel). I think most of us realized that this was a reactor breach, although I don't think I have heard anybody actually confirm that. There can now be no doubt: Plutonium detected in soil at Fukushima nuke plant

From a TIME magazine blog back when MOX was being explained:
there are four kinds of carcinogenic isotopes released when a nuke plant blows: iodine-131, cesium-137, strontium-90 and plutonium-239. Plutonium is not only the most lethal of the four ("extraordinarily toxic" is how Dr. Ira Helfand, a board member for Physicians for Social Responsibility, describes it), it also hangs around the longest. It's half life is a whopping 24,000 years, and since radioactive contamination is dangerous for 10 to 20 times the length of the isotope's half.life, that means plutonium emitted in Fukushima today will still be around in close to half a million years.
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Source: http://ecocentric.blogs.time.com/2011/03/17/mox-the-fukushima-word-of-the-day-and-why-its-bad-news/#ixzz1Hul6g58x

EDIT: It is still possible that the plutonium detected came from spent fuel rods that were uncovered, melted and burned and not from the reactor core of No. 3. Would love to hear if it was Plutonium-239 and in what concentrations, exact location(s), etc.
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People seem to have reached their level of boredom with this incident, so perhaps I should let this thread die.

Good new article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/28/japan-fukushima-nuclear-reactors-electricity
Officials at Tepco, who run the plant, say it is not clear where the radioactive water came from, but it escaped from the reactor core, either directly through a breach in the containment vessel or through a crack or hole in pipework.
Lahey believes that molten fuel inside reactor two has begun to leak out of its containment vessel, meaning it may be too late to save that reactor.
The troubles on site are compounded by fears that radioactive material, including plutonium, is leaching into the soil and has washed into the sea. So far, these problems are localised: most radioactive material leaked onto land will bind to soil and stay there, while radioactive material in the sea will be diluted and disperse. "They are doing all the right things now, but this is a tight horse race," Lahey said.
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Guy quoted is Richard Lahey, who was General Electric's head of safety research for boiling water reactors when the company installed them at Fukushima.

Mostly unrelated, but interesting:
 
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Hardly a surprise. They've been talking all around the fact that it's quite likely there's low-level fission going on in the deformed core -- hence all the radioactive iodine and the "difficulty cooling it", as they euphemistically put it. I guess it's only a "partial meltdown" if not all of the core has melted into a puddle in the basement. Jeez.

They also keep saying not to worry that it can explode like Chernobyl. True, but the Chernobyl explosion also made the fragments sub-critical, rather than leaving a fissioning blob in the cellar.:(
 
Good day all,

Basically a meltdown (partial or not) produces a molten material containing fuel and components of the reactor / containment (metal and concrete) mixed in a hot "lava".

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Above: This is the melted "foot" under the Chernobyl reactor after their meltdown. Radiation levels were a staggering 3,500 REMs per hour (thats 35 Sv ... Or 35,000 mSv per hour) just being inside the building!

Mostly, the only way to prevent farther release is by simply burying it ;-(
 
I saw on the news tonight that they have rescued a dog that survived for 21 days on a rooftop in the flotsam well off shore. I fear that they will also find several bodies in the flotsam as well, but many will never be found.
 
The death toll from the quake/tsunami will never be known. It is on track to be one of the deadliest quakes to ever hit Japan, though. Between the confirmed dead (+11,000) and the missing, the toll will probably be over 27,000
 
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