5/10/10 FCST: TX / OK / KS / CO/ MO

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There is going to be a whole lot of nothing on the 9th. This should be for the 10th.

Right now Monday looks like a likely chase day, Tuesday is a maybe and Wednesday is another likely chase day. What happens after that is tought to tell.

The real positive with this next setup is that we should already have high quality moisture in place over the gulf. As long as we get advection started early, which it looks like we will, then we should have good quality moisture in place for this event.
I already wrote about this on my blog this morning so I'll just post that. I have pictures on my blog too so you can ignore the part in my post where I talk about the pictures. Here is what I wrote on my blog...

Above is the 500mb charts for next Monday at 7pm from the ECMWF (top picture) and GFS (bottom picture). You may not be able to tell by looking at those pictures because the two models have timing differences, but they are both actually very similiar with how they handle the evolution of the upper air pattern for early next week. The ECMWF is about 12-24 hours slower than the GFS, which has been it’s tendency all year (been 24 hours behind with the timing for most setups this year). If you back the GFS up 18 hours though the 500mb charts are basically identical, which lends a higher degree of confidence to the idea that we will be chasing the beginning of next week.
The models have all been off over the past week on something so there isn’t any favored solution right now. The NAM and ECMWF wanted to amplify the trough that is coming through on Thursday of this week, while the GFS handled it properly and showed a low amplitude disturbance. Then for next week the GFS was showing one single larger trough and the ECMWF was showing two smaller amplitude waves with different timing. Now the GFS has moved in line with the ECMWF with how the pattern evolves, but the two models still disagree on the timing. So basically what we know right now is there will probably be two short waves coming through early next week. Monday or Tuesday will probably be the first chase day with one or two chase days following that (Tuesday maybe a chase and Wednesday more likely a chase day).
I really wish the GFS would have won out with the larger/stronger trough for the beginning of next week. Any time you get away from a typical setup it tends to bust more often and the two wave solution is a little less typical.
It is pretty pointless to look into details this far out, but the GFS is currently showing southerly low level winds setting up across the southern plains as early as Saturday, which should be very favorable for good moisture advection. For some reason the GFS shows a giant dry wedge appearing in central Texas at 12Z Monday. I don’t know what in the hell that’s all about, but it still has mid 60 dewpoints along the dryline by Monday afternoon. Mid 60’s is certainly reasonable given the fact that there is good moisture over the gulf.
Even though we aren’t considering details this far out, the GFS is showing fairly strong wind fields in the low and mid levels on Monday. The 850mb winds are veering, which I never like, but that doesn’t matter this far out. It is also showing 850mb winds >50kts. You know how that works though. It was also showing that for last weeks setup and then it dropped wind speeds by 20kts on the day before the chase.
Anyway, I will look at this mornings runs when they come out and update then. At this point though it does appear more likely that we will be chasing at least two days at the beginning of next week. I will update later this morning.
 
Looks like latest run on the GFS has slowed this down to a Monday event on the 10th. I really like a lot ingredients in place here. 2000 J/kg CAPE all along the Tex/OK pan's even up into extreme SE Colo and SW Kansas. 500mb wind shear at 60 knots and the gulf wide open for moisture returns with some 60's dews reaching all the way up into S KS. With that said and like others have mentioned, cap is going to be the issue. GFS still has a lid on things even at 0Z all along the dryline and it's not breaking out any precip either. Still a ways out though. Hopefully that cap can erode throughout the day. Oh and Sunday still looks like a decent play in S TX...
 
Yeah with the GFS slowing down a tad with this mornings run I think the shear profile is better since 850mb winds are still backed, but as mentioned above the cap is always a concern on the first day of any two day trough when the mid level jet is just starting to nose up on the plains. I always call it the day before the day since the second day is usually the bigger severe weather outbreak (not necessarily the better tornado day). I haven't seen Tuesday yet with this mornings GFS, but this isn't really one of the traditional two day troughs like I mentioned before. It is two seperate troughs coming right on each others heels. I doubt the first wave that comes through Monday will still be lingering over the plains on Tuesday, but there will still be good mid level flow. I'm afraid the veering low level winds are going to stretch the dryline out into a northeast to southwest boundary for Tuesday, which could not only mess up Tuesday it could also keep the moisture gradient wide along the northern portion of the dryline when the next wave comes through on Wednesday (assuming the GFS has had the timing right). That being said right now I'm thinking Monday is a chase day, Tuesday is a maybe, and Wednesday is a slightly more likely maybe.
That is reading an awful lot into things this far out, so I'm not going to worry about any of that now. At least we got something to watch and look forward to for the next week.
 
Monday looks like a potentially big chase day. But most days next week could also be big (thanks to the MJO), with a strong 850mb jet underneath a strong upper jet on all days. It's about time.
 
GFS has been willy nilly running targets from Nebraska, NE Kansas, and W. Iowa all the way down to what looks to be the E. Texas Panhandle and SW Kansas/SE Colorado on this am run. I have taken off for Monday for at least this one looks to have an established strong wave...good deep layer shear and a decent enough instability axis (somewhere). Where I end up will be the million dollar question. Tired of the cap burn on DL so will probably favor more the WF chase target on Monday 5/10 unless something really stands out to the contrary.
 
0Z GFS has shifted dry-line/instability axis to the eastern half of Oklahoma, while the 0Z euro keeps the dry-line further back across far western Oklahoma. wind shear still looks great on both models. its just a matter of placement in the plains. of course it could go to crap 48 hrs our like last weeks set up did too, so im not going get my hopes up just yet
 
It's not even worth mentioning the fine details this far out, but the GFS and ECM are now in consistent agreement with a nice compact negatively tilted western trough for the early part of next week, which should put western KS south into the panhandles in play.

To tell you the truth, I'm getting down right giddy about it because I can chase this one!
 
Good day all,

It appears May 10 should be a rather SIGNIFICANT severe weather event, possibly lasing a couple of days. All the parameters are in place, such as a 990 MB low in SE Colorado (Lee cyclogenesis startrs as early as May 9, so don't forget about that day either).

Above that is an impressive exit region at the H5 and H25 (18,000 / 500 MB and 34,000 250 MB) levels, with difluence / divergence aloft and impressive turning with height. The cap may be an issue on the 9th, but not as much for the 10th (this thread).

I will be heading out there on Saturday, May 8th and hopefully be in place for anything on the 9th (sorry Mom), and ofcourse the 10th. I return from KC on May 13 to FL.
 
Plans are still in motion for a big time chase on Monday 5/10. Will target the triple pt.
which should be in the Great Bend-Hays-Dodge City KS area by late afternoon/evening. Substantial moisture pooling...strong directional and deep layer shear...an approaching hefty 700mb wave should bring about a major tornado event for Monday if trends continue. Could be very active from C/SC Kansas down into W. Oklahoma. Certainly more than one hard target with this event...

Edit...after looking over the 12z GFS...see lots of similarities to the Attica-Harper KS tornado event back on 5/12/04. This one might get a bit more serious though...great shear over a
nice wide warm sector. Smells of a tornado outbreak to me for Kansas and Oklahoma. Plenty of time to mind melt over data. More updates on Vortex Times to follow...
 
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I just updated the forecast on my blog so I'll just copy and paste that here...

With the 12Z run the GFS has doubled back to what it was showing several days ago with the upper air pattern. It has a single deeper trough setting up over the Rockies instead of the two distinct smaller waves the ECMWF has been consistently showing (GFS was showing that too for last several runs). I actually prefer the GFS solution so I’m not upset at all to see this. I don’t take it very seriously this far out when it is changing from one run to the next. Regardless of which solution is right Monday would still be a chase day.
The GFS has two distinct jet streaks at 500mb on Sunday rotating around the backside of the trough that is coming on shore. The ECMWF has basically the same thing Sunday, but after that the models diverge on how they handle the evolution of the jet streaks/trough as it moves eastward into the plains. The GFS kind of morphs the two jet streaks into one in the base of the trough with difluence downstream and takes on a negative tilt as it approaches the plains. The ECMWF keeps the two waves seperate, ejecting the first one into the plains Monday with the second one following about 36 hours behind it. Both solutions show moderately strong mid level flow with a negatively tilted wave nosing into the plains on Monday, so for all intents and purposes it’s pretty much the same thing for Monday regardless of which model you go with (it does have a significant impact on any additional chase). At this point I am primarily focused on Monday because there are still too many uncertainties with Tuesday and Wednesday right now and there are several smaller scale details that will be influenced with how Monday evolves that will have an impact on tornado potential for the following days. I may comment on the potential for any additional chase days beyond Monday later today, but for now my focus in on Monday alone.
SPC apparently has a fair degree of confidence in severe weather occuring Monday because they put out a risk area in their 4-8 day outlook. I think the models have been consistent enough to justify that since we know that moisture probably won’t be an issue.
The current pocket of moisture over the gulf will pretty much stay put until Saturday when trajectories start to become favorable for moisture advection into the plains. Wind speeds in the lower levels aren’t very impressive, but it will be more than adequate given the duration of time that we’ll have to get the better dewpoints up to the central plains. The GFS continues to veer 850mb winds Monday morning for some reason that remains unknown to me. I will look at it later today and try to figure out why. It isn’t showing the magical dry pocket over Texas like it did in some of its previous runs though, so I guess we should be thankful for that.
If you focus in on the GFS for Monday afternoon it shows dewpoints reaching the mid to upper 60’s once you get away from the dryline into the warm sector. Temperatures out over the warm sector drop down to the low 80’s to upper 70’s, which would keep LCL’s sufficiently low for a good tornado threat. LCL’s would probably be high near the boundary though with the GFS showing temperatures reaching the 90’s at 00Z behind the dryline. The shear profiles ahead of the dryline are very impressive. Surface winds are out of the southeast, 850mb winds are backing to the SSE at 40kts and there is southwesterly mid level flow around 50kts on top of that. With that strong of low level wind fields (40kts at 00Z at 850mb) and very good directional shear for a dryline setup, the shear profile will be excellent for tornadic storms. The GFS is also showing very good CAPE for this time of year with SCCAPE >3000J/kg. Now I’m not even going to begin conning myself into believing that all this stuff will verify after last weeks episode where the GFS doubled back on us, but man that would be a great setup if it did come together. When you consider the degree of instability, the very impressive shear profile, the good moisture and low LCL’s and the spatial extent of where all these paramaters come together (pretty much all along the dryline) this would be a pretty amazing setup. If this were to verify it would be the best setup I’ve seen since 2008. I pray to god it verifies, but I’m not going to hold my breath. There are a lot of things that can change and go wrong between now and then.
I will continue looking over this today and update later. It is going to be tough to try to gauge any sort of potential for Tuesday or Wednesday given the significant differences between the models with the 500mb pattern, so I’ll probably just skip over that for now. I will get an update posted some time this afternoon though.
 
Mikey Gribble wrote:
The current pocket of moisture over the gulf will pretty much stay put until Saturday when trajectories start to become favorable for moisture advection into the plains. Wind speeds in the lower levels aren’t very impressive, but it will be more than adequate given the duration of time that we’ll have to get the better dewpoints up to the central plains.

GFS has been trending south in placement of the warm front. Still 126 hrs out, but the front is now progged near/south of the KS-OK border. I'd be cautious of super bullish moisture-return predictions, since there will still be some seriously dry air over the Plains in the days preceeding this event (case in point are today's northerly sfc winds with Tds in the 30s/40s/50s over KS/OK/TX, which are supposed to magically become mid-60s Tds over central KS by tomorrow - see comments for 5/6/10 by GPhillips and Rich Thompson).

Brian Stertz compared this to the Attica-Harper KS torn on 5/12/04:
On the day before that event, there were 60s dewpoints all the way into the Dakotas. On the other hand, wind fields look stronger for this upcoming event, so there's at least potential for fast (enough?) moisture advection. And even if the good moisture/warm front don't make it north of the Red River, the winds in that area are still predicted to be strong enough - so it just may be a matter of location. Still a long ways a way, we'll see...
 
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Mikey Gribble wrote:


GFS has been trending south in placement of the warm front. Still 126 hrs out, but the front is now progged near/south of the KS-OK border. I'd be cautious of super bullish moisture-return predictions, since there will still be some seriously dry air over the Plains in the days preceeding this event (case in point are today's northerly sfc winds with Tds in the 30s/40s/50s over KS/OK/TX, which are supposed to magically become mid-60s Tds over central KS by tomorrow - see comments for 5/6/10 by GPhillips and Rich Thompson).

Brian Stertz compared this to the Attica-Harper KS torn on 5/12/04:
On the day before that event, there were 60s dewpoints all the way into the Dakotas. On the other hand, wind fields look stronger for this upcoming event, so there's at least potential for fast (enough?) moisture advection. Still a long ways a way, we'll see...

FWIW, seems as though the GFS has been rather bearish on moisture this spring. (at least in comparison to the NAM) While that might not hold true for this event. . . certainly interesting to see the GFS so optimistic this far out. 18z run was a bit further south with the warm front, though, before that... 3-4 runs straight in the central KS region.

Still quite a ways out at this point. Capping is my biggest worry right now. 700s looked warm on the last run or two.
 
FWIW, seems as though the GFS has been rather bearish on moisture this spring. (at least in comparison to the NAM) While that might not hold true for this event. . . certainly interesting to see the GFS so optimistic this far out. 18z run was a bit further south with the warm front, though, before that... 3-4 runs straight in the central KS region.

Still quite a ways out at this point. Capping is my biggest worry right now. 700s looked warm on the last run or two.

Capping is a bit worrisome as the last two runs seem to have strengthened the cap compared with this time yesterday. However it appears that we'll have some forcing to help overcome the cap. Additionally, CAPE should be substantial unless something drastic changes. Dewpoints should easily be in the mid 60s and I would not be surprised if upper 60s were widespread with some pooling in the low 70s.

LI's aren't particularly impressive though...

I'm not getting my hopes up yet but I am making plans to chase mon/tues of next week.
 
Mikey Gribble wrote:


GFS has been trending south in placement of the warm front. Still 126 hrs out, but the front is now progged near/south of the KS-OK border. I'd be cautious of super bullish moisture-return predictions, since there will still be some seriously dry air over the Plains in the days preceeding this event (case in point are today's northerly sfc winds with Tds in the 30s/40s/50s over KS/OK/TX, which are supposed to magically become mid-60s Tds over central KS by tomorrow - see comments for 5/6/10 by GPhillips and Rich Thompson).

Brian Stertz compared this to the Attica-Harper KS torn on 5/12/04:
On the day before that event, there were 60s dewpoints all the way into the Dakotas. On the other hand, wind fields look stronger for this upcoming event, so there's at least potential for fast (enough?) moisture advection. And even if the good moisture/warm front don't make it north of the Red River, the winds in that area are still predicted to be strong enough - so it just may be a matter of location. Still a long ways a way, we'll see...

A lot of people have been second guessing moisture projections with the models for most of our setups this year and IMO they have done a great job so far this season. How far was it off with the last dryline chase across Kansas? It was like one or two degrees. I can't remember seeing any dewpoint projections that were consistently forecast by the NAM or GFS for a chase day that were way off this year. And in this case the GFS isn't showing a magical leap of moisture. It is showing 48 hours of advection and I can look at a surface chart now and see a good moisture pool already in place over the gulf. I'm considering the moisture quality over the gulf and the amount of time we should get for moisture advection with this setup. If you get 48 hours of moisture advection leading into this, with wind speeds >30kts over the southern plains for the last 24 hours, how far do you think that moisture will travel? I don't consider low 60 degree dewpoints for Monday "super bullish moisture-return predictions". That seems very reasonable to me and I'd be really surprised to see that not verify.
 
Capping really isn't that much of a problem. At this point, the only remaining capping is due to a forecast of temperatures in the low 70s. I don't think it's unrealistic to expect temperatures well into the upper 70s, maybe low 80s. In this case, the cap is entirely eliminated from NW OK to the surface low. With strong shear at all levels and a strongly unstable atmosphere, I expect -- at least -- a few long-track tornadic supercells on Monday.
 
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