3 storm chasers killed in 2-vehicle accident near Spur, Texas

Wondering if we have a very large lawsuit (multi-million $$$) coming against the Weather Channel if 1) one party was acting as a contractor while the other party was not and 2) the party acting on behalf of the Weather Channel was at fault running a stop sign....perhaps enough to put a damper on some of this commercial-oriented activity?

Yeah, I was wondering about this, too. Was he talking on-air with TWC at the time of the crash? That's a whole different level of involvement than just showing his feed.

I'll bet some interesting conversations have taken place today among TV meteorologists, their chasers and their news directors. How will things be different the next time a wall cloud lowers in OKC or Birmingham?
 
Can we stop with the "it could have happened to any of us" please? I realize that many of the chase community disregard road laws but not all of us. I can't recall a single time I've blown through a stop sign, street light, or barricade on a chase. This incident is the very reason why. I'm not trying to act holier than thou, but I refuse to believe that the entire community stops regarding traffic laws just to make those that do feel like it's an acceptable action that only now in light of this tragedy should be reconsidered.

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While I don't necessarily disagree with much of that, I think it underscores the point that many consider something like disregarding traffic control devices or driving the wrong way on a public right-of-way as being more serious than other traffic law violations that could be argued to carry an equivalent level of risk. Unless you diligently follow ALL of the traffic laws, something like this could happen, even if you're not running stop signs, for example. Sure, someone is going to argue apples to oranges, but I'm not so sure anymore.

Many law enforcement officers will vehemently argue that speeding (even if it's only 5-10 mph over the posted limit), improper lane usage, driving too fast for conditions (water or hail on the roadway), improper lane usage, distracted driving (laptops and cell phones especially), or improper stopping or standing on the roadway, for example, are equally as dangerous. While I think most of us are good about observing traffic control devices and not driving the wrong way on public right-of-ways, for example, we're probably just about all guilty of some other risk taking behaviors on the road. These put others and ourselves at a heightened risk for a traffic collision. I know I've been guilty of speeding and distracted driving while trying to keep pace with storms, so perhaps it is cause for reflection going forward if nothing else.
 
Thoughts and condolences go out to everyone involved, including the chasers who were unfortunate enough to happen upon the wreckage immediately afterwards.

3) TV has to stop buying the clips taken from too close (my opinion: if you can make out a disintegrating building, the photog was too close) or from known “offenders.” Maybe establish an industry wide blacklist (“These are the guys we don’t do business with because they take too many risks”).
Steve, I agree with most of your post and you make several excellent points. But I'd say this is a separate issue that should probably be left for another day and another discussion, as it risks muddying the waters.

If anything, yesterday was a reminder that the road is the real danger facing chasers, not the storm. It has long been my opinion that the widespread obsession with chasers who choose to get "too close" is a red herring that distracts from more pressing issues in the community. Yesterday's tragedy had little or nothing to do with getting too close to violent winds.

TV also has to stop its hypocrisy. Don’t broadcast a chaser’s stream and tell the rest of us, “Don’t you try this. These guys are trained professionals. They know what they’re doing.” Until they don't.
There are so many issues wrapped up in the topic of media chasers that it's hard to begin. My anecdotal experience -- over quite a few years of chasing, much of it in the media circus of OK -- says the average media chaser is far more reckless than the average private chaser. I think there's often an inflated sense of purpose and importance that borders on delusion, especially for those who provide live TV coverage, where money and ratings are serious business. In the OKC market, I've even witnessed LEOs providing cover for reckless TV chasers, which must greatly amplify their sense that any and all risks on the road are justified in the name of "keeping the viewers safe."

I don't know what the answer is here, but I really hope this is a wake-up call for that class of chasers, in particular. If legal action is threatened or brought against the media company that was contracting streaming services yesterday, it probably will be, for real.

4) Maybe this should be a separate thread, but I remember chasers making similar vows to rethink their actions after El Reno. That was nearly four years ago. Have their been any *lasting*, noticeable, positive changes in chaser behavior directly resulting from El Reno? If not, I wouldn’t expect any changes from what happened today. People believe bad things can’t happen to them. Until they do.

I am truly sorry to be such a downer.
This is more true than not. Although, I do think El Reno made a small lasting impact on plenty of serious chasers, from what I've seen. It's not going to completely reconstruct how most of us chase, but it might make us think twice when we knowingly enter particularly risky situations with similarities to past tragedies. I'm hardly an optimist, but I actually think both El Reno and yesterday might make some meaningful difference with a decent share of chasers, even if not nearly as much as you'd hope.
 
Yes accidents happen (I am not accident free either), but there is some disregard for traffic laws out there too (often from the media chasers). I haven't watched the whole video, but he did roll through another intersection. I won't cast blame, but I'm not going to absolve everyone at this point either. Just horrible incident all around. 25 years old, shit that sucks.
 
Wondering if we have a very large lawsuit (multi-million $$$) coming against the Weather Channel if 1) one party was acting as a contractor while the other party was not and 2) the party acting on behalf of the Weather Channel was at fault running a stop sign....perhaps enough to put a damper on some of this commercial-oriented activity?

I would say TWC has some potential issues. If for example, they were aware of any prior safety issues (witnessed during live streaming or otherwise) and ignored it. I'm not saying any prior problems existed, but it will be looked into by attorneys and legal investigators. For example, a building company hires an electrical contractor who installs faulty wiring that results a fatal fire and it can be proved the building company knew prior work by the contractor was sub-standard.

Any private chaser (or company sponsored chaser) who has a long history of documented negligent behavior is asking for serious trouble if something happens. It would blow your mind to see what private and criminal investigators will find on the Internet. I know this first hand from testifying at fatal accident investigations. I also know of non-chasing entities who document clips of idiotic chase behavior from social media, YouTube, etc.

TWC will have little ground to stand on if they try to argue "ignorance" in regards to realizing the potential hazards of proactive, live chasing and the extreme methods often required to track storms successfully from close range. In my opinion (and others) they went over the legal and ethical cliff when they embraced "extreme" chasing and chasers several years ago. It was all fun and big ratings until their crew was nearly killed. Now I see another weather company embracing and promoting the exact same, negligent highway behavior -- opening themselves up to future legal and PR nightmares. They just don't get it. No life is worth a funnel cloud -- as 99.9% of Americans would care less.
 
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For those saying it can't/won't happen to you, think about a few things, what if you/someone on the road in front of you, beside you, coming at you etc. black out or have a medical emergency. You may think you're perfectly healthy, but emergencies like that can happen, what if your brakes fail? Before you say "it can't happen to me" think about the little/big things that could happen and cause accidents.


How in the world do you not see how different what you just said is from purposefully, willingly, and without care running through posted stop signs on a public road and KILLING somebody that was NOT breaking traffic laws (at least from the stance of having right of way). The fact that he was fatigued and tired does NOT absolve him of wrongdoing or liability, as a matter of fact it would compound that. Should have been intelligent enough to understand you are not safely operating a vehicle and seek other outcomes, pull over, nap, stop for the day whatever it may be. He did not black out, he was talking and blabbing on the radio and commenting on radar and outside views the entire time up until impact. What he did (given current LEO reports) would be absolutely considered manslaughter at minimum, and perhaps murder3. Just like a DA may charge a drunk driver with murder for killing someone, the only difference here is he was drunk on distraction instead of alcohol. The loss of life is tragic but I can't feel bad for the driver in this case. He reaped what he had sown and sadly took 2 others with him.

Saying "what if someone blacked out and hit you" is like comparing someone who walks up and shoots an innocent person in the face (perp) to someone walking down the street and being struck by a stray bullet from a firing range (victim).
 
Wondering if we have a very large lawsuit (multi-million $$$) coming against the Weather Channel if 1) one party was acting as a contractor while the other party was not and 2) the party acting on behalf of the Weather Channel was at fault running a stop sign....perhaps enough to put a damper on some of this commercial-oriented activity?

Piggy backing onto this - Is there any legal liability with the streaming services that stream chasers in the field? Could a lawyer try to go after a streaming company for "hosting" a chaser's stream that acted recklessly and ended up in a fatal accident?
 
We have to be careful of the slippery slope here. There is a big difference between accidentally running a single stop sign, which is still a "negligent fault" accident and the extreme chaser method of running every stop sign as long as you can see the intersection. I have not seen any evidence yet to support anyone was running each and every stop sign on the highway. If that was the case, you have a more serious issue here. If someone has seen such evidence, please present it.
 
Piggy backing onto this - Is there any legal liability with the streaming services that stream chasers in the field? Could a lawyer try to go after a streaming company for "hosting" a chaser's stream that acted recklessly and ended up in a fatal accident?
There's always potential liability in sense that a precedent can be established through legal victory in a potential civil suit. This has been brought up before on the site.

I don't think anyone was aware of a present case where a streaming company was successfully sued, to date, but that doesn't mean it couldn't happen if a judge allowed a suit to go through the legal motions and the family, for example, was awarded damages against a company by the jury.

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I downloaded the original stream (mp4 file) from TWC's AMHQ Facebook page before it was removed, and used it to estimate the TWC vehicle speed. While the TWC vehicle "slow rolls" through a couple of stops signs prior to the accident, I did not see them run through any others at full speed. There is also no other traffic visible around them for many miles. The last frame of this video is the same as the Youtube stream, that is, it ends just as the TWC vehicle enters the accident intersection.
 
At the very least my bet is TWC stops having chasers out in the field. This is the 2nd incident they've been tied to (1st being Bettes/Tornado Hunt in 2013). I saw an interesting comment by someone on Twitter last night about chasing nationally being too much for one team as something is always going on weatherwise, possibly leading to fatigue and the lack of energy needed to be at full attention. I get worn out after driving 12-16 hours in one day, I can't imagine doing it 4-5 days a week for most of a year. Then again truckers do it all the time and that's scary in itself.
 
As far as a civil suit against TWC goes, I would imagine that several large Law Firms have already reached out to the family of Corbin. TWC will feel the burn when they receive a demand for payment of $15,000,000. Regardless of whether Kelley was an employee or contracted, he had TWC stickers on his vehicle, wore TWC gear, and advertised himself as working for TWC. They are in a tight box on this one and will not want this going to trial if the family were to choose to pursue such action. I bet the attorneys for NBC Universal had a sleepless night last night and will end up settling this out of court for a significant amount of money. I thought it was amazing how much they distanced themselves last night after the news broke to the public.
 
It's entirely OK to feel the loss of Corbin more deeply since his only "crime" was to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. The families are all grieving just as much, though, regardless of their loved one's role in the accident.
 
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