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03/19/10 DISC: TX

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Shane congrats! I don't think that's a possible tornado..it looks definite to me. First the funnel is ragged, then there is rotation, and then a solid, snaking laminar funnel goes to ground behind the trees planted IMO. Not sure why you guys couldn't tell that in person but maybe because you had the video zoomed in. I think on your video it is obvious! Cool! Nice catch.

I feel a bit bad because I made pretty much a pinpoint forecast time and place and decided not to chase because of the low probability. Here was my forecast to the local group from the morning:

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"Well guys, I've reviewed everything...sfc maps, Nam, Ruc, forecast soundings, parameters, etc. Appears to me there may be an option for a dedicated chaser anxious to see a storm. I pick ABI (Abilene) at ~ 0z (7pm) - well at least that region including Sweetwater, Brownwood, then a bit east, and a bit north. Looks to me that it meets the minimum criteria in my mind for a potential supercell with low end tornado potential. Granted any tornadoes produced would probably be about a 1 on the Sig Torn scale or less.

I'm seeing LI's to -3 (I think I saw a -6 on one map), Cape around 560 - but maybe a hair higher - after all supposedly good cold air aloft and good low level lapse rates. Helicity 100ish, EHI to 1, looks like some mid level wave influence albeit weak between 18z and 0z, sfc low currently just west of the area showing convergence at light (likely elevated) rain ATTM. As for winds shear, etc...Sfc is fairly light from primarily 180 by 0z but potentially doable, 850's back a bit by 0z to almost 175 -180ish, 700mb on the low end but providing proper directional shear - doable, 500mb light but doable, 300mb upper jet adequate, 250mb adequate. Can't tell but there may be some additional lift between the southern branch jet (overhead) and the one further north. Ours if zonal, the one north is more kinked. The region between the two ABI to much further north ..KS is in a divergent region between the two jets. Precipitation forecast on all models I've checked including WRF 4km indicate possible supercell development in that region by 0zish.

Will I chase it? Not sure. Anything on the minimal side could either turn out as I describe above, a little better, or something could screw it up like cirrus, or inversion - or maybe the cold front decides to become more aggressive and wash it out quicker making it go linear. Regardless, this is my take..I think it is minimal doable, so take that for what it is."
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:D Oh well, as you know if you don't chase 'em you don't catch 'em. Congratulations on a nice early season surprise catch!

 
Looks like it's around 1:20 on the clip time that it looks good and planted, maybe starting a few seconds before that.
 
Looks like it's around 1:20 on the clip time that it looks good and planted, maybe starting a few seconds before that.

Nice forecast.
I realize someone saw this on the ground... but, just judging from what is shown on the video, this could have been well above ground level.....and besides, swirling scud does funny stuff, especially when playing around behind trees. I know cause 95 percent of the stuff you'll see in this area will be hanging around behind trees, haha. No dirt(being able to see ground level, or dirt, debris, etc... swirling in the air do to ground level circulation)... no tornado. The quintessential chaser rule :)
 
True..without actually seeing contact / interaction with the ground you can't technically confirm a tornado. Based on that I suppose it has to stay a 'possible' tornado from Shane's perspective...guess I should have clarified that point. I suppose that's why he called it as he did now that I think about it. About the 1:18 mark on for a few seconds that well defined snaking tube disappearing behind the trees behavior wise and experience tells me it was likely on the ground. True...from this perspective guess we'll never know for sure. Hopefully Aaron / Alec will have some good video or photo from a different vantage. I was watching their streaming video but at times the resolution w/ lighting issues was a bit rough. I was talking to Aaron on the phone and I know they initially saw some blowing / possibly lifting RFD dirt, but I'll let him describe what happened after that because I don't know the details.

Thanks for bringing it up.
 
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There was a brief dust whirl confirmed by other chasers, which we could not see from our vantage point.
 
Nobody reported a tornado - let alone a funnel. Are you sure others saw it? Any idea why it wasn't sent in?

There was one report of a rotating wall cloud passed along, but it was 8-10 miles off in location so not much help.
 
Nobody reported a tornado - let alone a funnel. Are you sure others saw it? Any idea why it wasn't sent in?

There was one report of a rotating wall cloud passed along, but it was 8-10 miles off in location so not much help.
The SN wall cloud report was from the same chaser who saw the dust whirl, though like Shane said, we were too far away to see for ourselves if it was on the ground.
 
I never thought to report it as a possible tornado until we received a phone call stating chaser Aaron Dooley reported a brief dust whirl underneath the rotation. From what we were told, he reported it via Spotter Network. Until I heard this information, about an hour after the video was taken, I never thought anything of it. When we returned home and actually watched the video, we saw that it was pretty dramatic and convincing. If someone reported a dust whirl underneath it, that's a tornado in my book.

The fact no report has shown anywhere isn't a big deal; I've reported several tornadoes that never made the database. It's obvious there weren't many out there besides us to debunk it, so I'm apt to go with the opinion of those who were. This isn't something I'm losing sleep over or care to dissect for days. IMO it's a brief tornado, if others feel differently, rock on.
 
From what we were told, he reported it via Spotter Network

No. He just reported a wall cloud, and it was 8-10 miles away from the rotation so not sure what he was seeing or if it was even related to the actual storm at all.

The fact no report has shown anywhere isn't a big deal
From a database perspective - correct. From a warning perspective, I think it's a big deal when trained spotters/chasers see a tornado and don't report it during the event.

It's obvious there weren't many out there besides us to debunk it
...which makes it even more important to make sure information gets to the NWS in realtime...
 
Kind of strange to see so many chasers out, yet not one could be bothered to report a possible tornado. If that makes you happy, then I guess we're all happy ;)
 
Kind of strange to see so many chasers out, yet not one could be bothered to report a possible tornado. If that makes you happy, then I guess we're all happy ;)

Let me explain this clearly, for those who can't read English or perhaps missed my original post:

We got on the storm. We videotaped the storm. We saw the rapid rotation/wall cloud/funnel. We got a phone call about 30 minutes later saying Aaron Dooley reported a brief tornado. I asked where. I asked when. The time/location matched our video. I still thought "possible". Got home. Watched video. Saw that I captured a large funnel over halfway down. Considering the tornado report time/location matched my video, I said "tornado."

I didn't report it because I didn't realize at the time it was a tornado (we had a tree line in the foreground). I was told the tornado report was copied and pasted from the Spotter Network into the SpotterChat chat room, which is where the person who called us got the information.

Neither person who reported the tornado (via our information) has come forward to confirm or deny that my video is in fact their tornado...I simply made the connection based on report time/location. As for several chasers being out and nobody reporting a tornado, as far as I'm concerned that's bull****. There were few chasers out, and apparently one of them did report a tornado. If the SN,NWS, or the SPC reports database don't show it, perhaps (1) the tornado was reported via a different method or (2) the problem is on the SN/NWS/SPC data base end.

I'm just telling you what happened from our point-of-view. I'm not crying wolf. I'm basing my claim on the information I was given. Any questions regarding the "legitimacy" of this report need to be aimed at the individuals who made the report - not me.
 
I'm not saying you did anything nor blaming you for not reporting something you didn't see ;)

http://www.spotternetwork.org/quality.php

SN shows a rotating wall cloud with "tube" was reported, but it was 10 miles away from where it would be in a true storm so either he misinterpreted some "scary clouds" overhead or just didn't realize what he saw was 8-10 miles away. Either way - no tornado was reported.
 
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