"Twisters" discussion

I still haven't seen the movie. No reason other than my procrastination - I've only been to the theater to see a movie 3 times in the past 15 years. I understand it's out on DVD now? It seems like the impact of this film was short-lived - I haven't really seen it being discussed or referenced much anywhere in the past month or so. Does anyone else get the impression it's not going to have the enduring appeal that the original had?
Perhaps not with the current community, but it’s definitely resonated with younger weather enthusiasts (around 18 and younger) such as myself. “If you feel it, chase it!” feels like it has almost become the equivalent of “We got cows!” The movie for sure had an impact, it’s just not visible right now. I suspect in 5 or 10 years when we start chasing and getting involved in the greater WX community, you’ll see how much of an impact the movie had.
 
I don't know if any movie will be able to move the dial culturally anymore to be honest. Back in the 90s we were all much more limited in what we were able to watch and consume, and word of mouth played a big part in getting people to check something out. These days, with more content than it is possible to consume being pumped out, it's going to take a lot for any one thing to cut through the noise.
 
Likewise, if only those "in the know" made the TV show or movie, it would likely not be well received by a general audience. Movie makers know how to make a show entertaining in a way the subject matter experts do not. That's what makes them professional movie makers.
Hollywood and broadcast reboots are in my professional opinion a lazy attempt at avoiding true creativity and originality in writing and production that is really only now observed in independent and niche cinema in a greedy attempt to make money. As an "edited" Halloween addition to my previous statements for the lawyers monitoring in shadow, I also realize there are also many definitions of "creativity" and that my flavor may not be that of another director/s. To each their own. Point being, GET BACK to something original. I shall admit that the 1996 cinematic screenplay of "Twister" was original and yes, it "inspired" so many in it's wake. Not I. The original NOVA PBS 1985 "Tornado!" documentary is what made it work for me and in turn, birthed "Twister" thanks mostly in part to Dr. Lou Wicker, the second generation TOTO crew and so many others from the 1980's era of storm chasing culture.

I would dare to challenge the "professional movie makers" to step up to create some actual original works verses silly, overdramatic reboots, whom by the way that is a broad brush statement to make, as there are so many different people, talented individuals and positions that go into making a film such as "Twisters", the later "film", which barely constitutes as cinema, I have no interest in watching, ever. What is not widely known is that many Hollywood types must pay the bills by other means when the work is not coming in (i.e. movie making). I even knew a director whom in desperate need of income, had to sell tires and work real estate just to get by until financing came through for his next production. It's not all glamorous and those dire times are more frequent that you may realize!
 
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I don't know if any movie will be able to move the dial culturally anymore to be honest. Back in the 90s we were all much more limited in what we were able to watch and consume, and word of mouth played a big part in getting people to check something out. These days, with more content than it is possible to consume being pumped out, it's going to take a lot for any one thing to cut through the noise.
I feel there will be a major shift in cinema, be it digital or celluloid, going onward. By the way, that's not "code" for the "conspiracy guy" types on the forum. I sincerely believe that just like previous generations, we're in a cycle, similar to a cyclical supercell spinning up vortex maxes here there n' everywhere... and that in time, with some creativity, the scene... be it "Hollywood"... "Bollywood" or the lovely Quad Cities of the Midwest will birth something great. I certainly am working on a version of that, and when it's ready, everyone will be welcome to view or participate in person. More to come. Keep dreaming and being!

Cheers,

Blake

P.S. I will be attending the entire week at AMS NOLA in January 2025. Is anyone else here going to be there? If so, please give a howdy and let's catch up! Look for a live to tape, literally on 3/4" Umatic format, to be recorded 😁 That is not a joke. It's a fact.

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Finally got around to watching Twisters a few nights ago. I stopped it after about 45 minutes. Special effects are good, much better than the original Twister, but the acting and story line are horrible. The public's perception of chasers has been somewhat tainted since Storm Chasers, but this is a ridiculous level of stupidity.
 
Most people want the tornado to be the star in such movies. When I was working on the original Twister, I remember Helen Hunt being upset that everyone was talking about the tornado effects, not the acting. Maybe if producers took a different approach and developed better story lines around the "tornado scenes," it would work better. I will be happy to option my life history of chasing for a small fee....lol
 
I looked on eBay & see yep its out on blu-ray now. Good to know.
Prices are too high at this point, but I eventually plan to get it & watch


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And I do agree with @Blake Naftel .. it would be nice to see more new/original content as far as movies.
 
Most people want the tornado to be the star in such movies. When I was working on the original Twister, I remember Helen Hunt being upset that everyone was talking about the tornado effects, not the acting. Maybe if producers took a different approach and developed better story lines around the "tornado scenes," it would work better. I will be happy to option my life history of chasing for a small fee....lol
I'll have to locate the raw Twister premiere video from May 1996, which if memory serves was in either Norman or Oklahoma City? I don't recall off hand if there were on camera interviews with actors, staffers, etc... but if so, I'm sure the commentary by a select few was quite reserved and uncritical of the production due to the then box office success. I provided a DVD copy of the Twister premiere to the OU School of Meteorology library in 2015, which is likely still on a shelf somewhere.

From a writers room "ideas" perspective, and I can only speak from a television newsroom or sketch comedy "table read" perspective, Jan de Bont and his associate producers did have a genuine drive to tell an effective cinematic story, but beyond the "art" of cinema and the wow factor (or cheesy) digital FX's in 1995-96, the bottom line then was to sell tickets at the box office with a later focus on home video the same year. The story line worked for general audiences because it was new then, and also played a significant role in how many took up the hobby or careers in meteorology. Great! Mission accomplished Hollywood. Flash to 2024 and the reboot machine is full tilt boogie. It's not just Twisters, of which I still have not watched, but television shows as well.

Story lines, like the atmosphere, evolve effectively only with the right dynamic ingredients, and that includes the producers, assistant producers, part time writers, etc. You can bang out a pretty effective screenplay solo, but once others get involved, specifically studio executives who rarely have any idea how cinematic creativity functions, a well developed idea, characters or story gets transformed into something that executives think will "sell" to the masses. Did this happen with Twisters? Probably. I'm certain there were at least a few on that production writing staff that had good intentions and wanted to make a good film, but mostly, the issue I see as a producer is being accepted on a mainstream level when one dares to step out of the box with a original premise and getting seasoned, well paid executive and studio types on board with "new" said concepts in order to get the production green lit.

Blake


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The premier was in OKC. I was fortunate enough to have been invited. I had a representative with me from TWC, since they published my book Storm Chaser and there was still talk of optioning the story for another project. In other words, I had to be on my best behavior. (Good luck). I cracked up at several scenes, including the ice cube hailstones and cows, and the rep. delivered a stealthy elbow to my ribs., especially with the entire cast and Jan de Bont sitting right behind me. After that, I settled down and maintained myself, remembering the potential book deal and the funds they paid me for the poster shot. There was no social media back then, so people had little or no idea of what storm chasing was actually about. You could have had Umpalumpas in a DOW and people would have believed it.

I believe the original Warner script (outline) was much better than the finished product. It focused on a single chaser (based loosely on my character). Unfortunately, the film project was taken over by Universal and Michael Crichton. A VP from Warner's called me and apologized when the script was dumped for Crichton's. I have always appreciated that call. I should point out that the original movie did not have a full-time chasing consultant. I turned down the offer because they actually wanted a "safety" person on the set to forecast weather, so I recommended someone from TWC. I also knew (from inside sources) that Crichton did not want any input. I would have likely been kicked off the set.

Edit: Sorry about the non-edited version w/o Grammar correction. I posted it when I was half asleep last night. I have fixed it.
 
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The premier was in OKC. I was fortunate enough to have been invited. I had a representative with me from TWC, since they published my book Storm Chaser and there was still talk of optioning the story for another other project. In other words, I had to be on my best behavior. (Good luck). I cracked up at several scenes, including the ice cube hailstones and cows, and the rep. delivered a stealthly elbow to my ribs., espectlly with the entire cast and Jan de Bont sitting right behind me. After that, I settled down and maintained myself, remembering the potential book deal and the funds they paid me for the poster shot. There was no social media back then, so people had little or no idea of what storm chasing was actually about. You could have had Umpalumpas in a DOW and people would have believed it.

I believe the original Warner script (outline) was much better than the finished product. It focused on a single chaser (based losely on my charecter). Unfortunately, the film project was taken over by Universal and Michael Crichton. A VP from Warner's called me and apologized when the script was dumped for Crichton's. I have always appreciated that call. I should point out that the orginal movie did not have a fulltime chasing consultant. I turned down the offer becuse they actually wanted a "safety" person on the set to forecast weather, so I recommeded someone from TWC. I also knew (from inside sources) that Crichton did not want any imput. I would have likley been kicked off the set.
The character played by Cary Elwes is essentially you, Warren. I write that in pure respect and humor, but there are direct visual cues both in dress and delivery, only Elwes delivered it more Hollywood and dramatically. Thank you for sharing your story of the premiere here, that's a moment in time to remember!

Fun story, the late OU meteorologist Matt Biddle and his chase partner Mark Herndon were convinced by Cary Elwes to take the accomplished actor chasing during the production of Twister in 1995. As Matt and Mark were hired "contractors" for said production, it eventually got back to Jan de Bont that one of "his stars" was actually "storm chasing and risking his life" on the Oklahoma prairies, of which at the same time, real time 35mm film was being shot of the said sky to potentially incorporate into the film. Jan was furious in director fashion when the news broke. Obviously, if a primary actor gets injured or killed during a big budget production, all goes to flame and post must be retooled, alas, I understand the director's perspective.

I pitched a interview about this to Bill Paxton's agent during the Storm Chasing Anthology tour of 2014/15 but that never materialized. Matt and Mark however did go on record via video in Norman, but those interviews were not incorporated in full into the original documentary.

Ah memories, that was a fun read tonight, Warren!

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Those were indeed good times, occurring at the twilight of what some consider the "Golden Age" of storm chasing. There was no social media, AI, copyright pirates, crowded highways or death-defying stunts to encourage bad behavior. Having said that, there was no mobile radar, cell phone GPS or drinks after chasing in a Holiday Inn Express lounge. :p
 
Those were indeed good times, occurring at the twilight of what some consider the "Golden Age" of storm chasing. There was no social media, AI, copyright pirates, crowded highways or death-defying stunts to encourage bad behavior. Having said that, there was no mobile radar, cell phone GPS or drinks after chasing in a Holiday Inn Express lounge. :p
I have full copies of the first "storm chaser conference" in 1995 on VHS made available by The Weather Channel and Landmark Communicatinos of which were provided to me by Chuck Doswell years ago. I believe I archived the physical tapes at TTU, but still retain copies of them. While the entire conference is lengthy, I will try to transfer and upload that gathering when I get some free time, which does have a few "Twister" discussions from meteorologists, Tom Grazulis and others.

That would actually be of great interest to our discussion here, because much of which is presented and discussed portended to the rapidly inbound shockwave to "storm chasing culture" before Twisters hit the box office.

Also, love the Holiday Inn Express lounge reference, Warren! :D Those did happen up until a point circa 2001 and boy howdy, are there stories and video as well! Storm chaser gatherings jumped the shark around 2007/08 at one of the Denver Chaser Conventions when a intoxicated altercation led to one infamous moment where one storm chaser kicked another square in the Jacobs during a petty fight over copyright. I've written that moment into a recent script as well. ;) While I skipped those years of sky drama gatherings after speaking at the 2005 convention, historically, that era of storm chasing is out to pasture.

Blake


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Thanks to Warren and Blake especially for contributing their thoughts and perspectives between the old and new movie. This is great material for the Stormtrack 50th Anniversary anthology if either of you would be willing to write an essay on this topic!
I absolutely would be up for this, Jeff! While my schedule is quite packed as I develop the weather comedy stage show, I love to write and could easily create something perhaps collaboratively. Warren, are you up for it?

Blake


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