THE MAPROOM

This concerns The Maproom...

It should be noted to all of the board that there is quite a few problems in The Maproom, still. I for one am getting tired of seeing the SAME violators over and over again, mostly doing the same things that VIOLATE Maproom rules. I don't care if there is any TORs, I don't care if there is any WWs, if you do not have ANY INSIGHTFUL meteorological information, then don't post.

Its one thing when I am sitting in my living room with highspeed internet, looking at all the fluff, but when I am on the road trying to rush through things, sometimes with slow WIFI signals... I don't wanna look at this junk.

The rules are pretty strict in The Maproom, yet they are rarely enforced strictly. I would propose to start giving stern warnings via PM (moderators), and then if that individual continues, issue a suspension.

Anybody else?
 
Originally posted by nickgrillo
This concerns The Maproom...

It should be noted to all of the board that there is quite a few problems in The Maproom, still. I for one am getting tired of seeing the SAME violators over and over again, mostly doing the same things that VIOLATE Maproom rules. I don't care if there is any TORs, I don't care if there is any WWs, if you do not have ANY INSIGHTFUL meteorological information, then don't post.

I'm sure the moderators are doing a good job of keeping the maproom worth reading. There is a fine line between keeping a forum clutter-free and being so strong with enforcement that nobody wants to post there. Nobody wants "WOOOEEEEE!!! TORNADO!!!!" posts, but I don't see anything like that in the maproom right now. Some of the posts are not terribly informative, but I can understand why the mods would not feel they reach the level of violating the forum's TOS. The most useful thing that we can do right now is settle down a bit for a month or so and see how the new system and moderation style works out before asking for immediate changes. We don't have a very large time sample yet and, really, this is all probably new to the moderators, too.

In the future, if this sentiment keeps popping up, perhaps Stormtrack could consider adding a "killfile" feature, where a user can mark a list of people whom they personally want filtered out of their fourm experience. This gives the user some personal "further restrictions" moderatorial control over their own forum experience, but still allows the moderators and admins to shape the forum as they see fit. I don't know how hard this is to work with phpBB; it may be more effort than it is worth.
 
IMO, a post about CAPE or TORs is absolutely worthless, and completely clutters the forum. Basically, the only people who should be posting FCST/NOW discussions in The Maproom is a person with at least the basic understanding of Meteorology - to avoid getting in the way.
 
"We don't have a very large time sample yet and, really, this is all probably new to the moderators, too. "

Not at all - the person responsible for Nick's post has been doing this for quite a while now...
 
TD 10

The TD10 thread consists of one good message, then a reply repeating the NHC forecast and the second reply is encouraging the Bermuda high to strengthen... Wow...
 
Yes, it is definitely becoming a problem. I am all for the restrictions going back on the Map Room... In the TD 10 thread, Sam is the only one with posts worth reading...

I really think there should be an "application" process for the Map Room... Meaning you must write an essay on your meteorological or chaser background. Either that, or let's start enforcing the rules.....
 
This is a very good reason why Stormtrack has changed its rules - and now only allows real chasers/people with a meteorology background into the forums. Due to the fact the rules just now have come into place, and there is still quite a few members whom would not fall into the new category, the rules of The Maproom should become more strictly enforced...

Meaning that if somebody continues to mess up on that forum, issue warnings/suspensions.
 
I really think there should be an \"application\" process for the Map Room... Meaning you must write an essay on your meteorological or chaser background. Either that, or let's start enforcing the rules.....


I thought thats basically what we had to write about to join ST.
 
Originally posted by Kurt Hulst
I really think there should be an \"application\" process for the Map Room... Meaning you must write an essay on your meteorological or chaser background. Either that, or let's start enforcing the rules.....


I thought thats basically what we had to write about to join ST.

Before Stormtrack x2, yeah, you had to write a brief bio on yourself and email it in (I never had to, as that wasn't even in place until we got +500 members in mid-2004) - its simuler now, but Stormtrack will now only accept active chasers.

I am all for the application thing for The Map Room (especially to any users that have made too much noise in the forum).
 
rdale, ill respond to your post from the hurricane thread here.

Since im a relative newbie I'll listen to what you guys say. Do you want a thread on a storm to have the latest updates as they come out, or do you want each and every post to have an in depth discussion of various forecast possibilities, with short updates just not posted at all?
 
Originally posted by rdewey+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(rdewey)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-Andrew Geil
Sounds a lot like homework.

If I want homework, I'll go back to school.

No thanks.

If you want a high quality forum, then homework will have to be done :wink:[/b]

That is the major problem - there is quite a few members on Stormtrack that really don't care about quality (not juding anybody in particular, but I know there is a few).
 
We all get the latest updates, if you just follow the rules as set in the sticky at the top of the forum everyone will be happy...

- Rob
 
Originally posted by MClarkson
rdale, ill respond to your post from the hurricane thread here.

Since im a relative newbie I'll listen to what you guys say. Do you want a thread on a storm to have the latest updates as they come out, or do you want each and every post to have an in depth discussion of various forecast possibilities, with short updates just not posted at all?

Short updates are fine, yet they should contain valueable meteorological information (i.e. A discussion that yourself wrote up on the WX situation) - and not a useless one liner post, or a post containing information that is copied/available from NOAA websites.
 
Nick Grillo wrote:
I am all for the application thing for The Map Room (especially to any users that have made too much noise in the forum).
Nick Grillo
Here is my background in meteorology for The Map Room:

Education:
-East Kentwood High School: Diploma
-Grand Rapids Community College: Associate of Arts
-Aquinas College: Coursework in Georgraphy
-Central Michigan University: Bachelor of Science
Major: Earth Science with a concentration in Meteorology
Major: Geography
-Creighton University: Coursework in Atmospheric Sciences
-Lansing Community College: Coursework in Broadcasting
-Penn State University: Distance Course in Weather Forecasting
-Mississippi State University: Certificate in Operational Meteorology

Professional Memberships:
American Meteorological Society: Full Member
Gamma Theta Upsilon: International Geographical Honor Society
National Weather Association

Internships:
National Weather Service: Student Volunteer
WOOD-TV Grand Rapids, MI

Other:
SKYWARN Spotter

Background in Forecasting Classes in College:

PENN STATE UNIVERSITY: Received a A in this course.
METEO 101: Understanding Weather Forecasting 3 Credits
Fundamental principles of synoptic and physical meteorology, satellite and radar imagery, and data analysis in the setting of mid-latitude weather forecasting.

MISSISSIPPI STATE UNIVERSITY: Received all A's in these courses
Synoptic Meteorology I -Course Code: GR 4713 -Credit Hours: 3
Description: Fundamental principles behind weather forecasting. Physical processes in the atmosphere, atmospheric circulation systems, air mass analysis, frontogenesis and frontolysis.

Synoptic Meteorology II -Course Code: GR 4623 -Credit Hours: 3
Description: Advanced analysis and detailed case studies of meteorological phenomena related to weather forecasting problems. Short and long-range forecasting techniques are presented.

Weather Prediction I -Course Code: GR 4443 -Credit Hours: 3
Description: Detailed discussion of all the weather products that can be used to formulate a forecast.

Weather Prediction II -Course Code: GR 4453 -Credit Hours: 3
Description: Analysis of case studies of different weather events in various locations in different seasons.

CENTRAL MICHIGAN UNIVERSITY: Received all A's in these courses
ESC 303 - Synoptic Meteorology I 3(2-2)
A description of the structure and evolution of synoptic scale weather phenomena. Theory and use of thermodynamic diagrams. Techniques used in numerical weather prediction.

ESC 303 - Synoptic Meteorology II 3(2-2)
A description of the structure and evolution of mesoscale and cumulus scale weather systems. Mesoscale forecasting techniques and manual and computer analysis of meteorological data. Prerequisites: ESC 303.

-Won Central Michigan Synoptic Meteorology Forecasting Contest

That is my background for The Map Room, also plan on attending
graduate school somewhere in the Spring semester of 2006.

Would be interesting to see other people's background, in forecasting, including Nick's.

-Found a WIFI location
-Back to the campground for the week.
-Still looking for a place to live.

Later
Mike (EF from Chat)
http://efchasing.blogspot.com/
 
Mike... I am not talking about posting qualifications, I am simply stating that using an essay on the application process will cut out those who know nothing.

Heck, I barely made it through high school, yet I am very meteorologically oriented and can post decent posts in the Map Room. How do I do it? By simply following the rules. I am all for allowing access to everyone, but it seems like nobody wants to read the rules. So, there are three (or more) options:

1) Start moderating the Map Room better
2) Make the registration/application process more difficult or;
3) Keep things are the way they are, and everyone ignore it...
 
I've got an idea. How about if you are not personally involved in chasing this particular event, or nowcasting for somebody who is, stay out?

That way the posts are more than simple academic exercises. They have an actual chaser component point to them. After all, otherwise it is simply weather weenie talk.

Seems like those who are so bent out of shape over the "non-chasers" would love this idea, but I doubt it. :roll:
 
"How about if you are not personally involved in chasing this particular event, or nowcasting for somebody who is, stay out?"

If you are chasing the event, you probably don't have nearly the amount of data that those armchairing will. And why would there be a requirement be nowcasting for a specific person? Seems way off the mark. Sounds a little elite-ish to me!
 
I guess I don't understand why having a "nowcaster recipient" would be a criteria for nowcasting... So you could have an idiot posting in the chase thread because he has a buddy chasing, but an SPC forecaster can't put his thoughts in because he's at home too far away?

It's not about chasers vs non - it's about posting stuff of value. Saying there is a Tornado Warning for some state has NO value to anyone.
 
Originally posted by Rob_Davis
I've got an idea. How about if you are not personally involved in chasing this particular event, or nowcasting for somebody who is, stay out?

That way the posts are more than simple academic exercises. They have an actual chaser component point to them. After all, otherwise it is simply weather weenie talk.

Seems like those who are so bent out of shape over the \"non-chasers\" would love this idea, but I doubt it. :roll:

That doesn't solve the problem at all -- Its not about whether or not you're chasing the particular event, its about posting guidelines, and how numerous users have been violating them. I don't care about TORs and WWs, like I said before - and I don't care if the person is chasing that event or not, its againest the rules and its VERY high noise, and its absolutely worthless IMO.
 
Originally posted by rdewey
Mike... I am not talking about posting qualifications, I am simply stating that using an essay on the application process will cut out those who know nothing.

Heck, I barely made it through high school, yet I am very meteorologically oriented and can post decent posts in the Map Room. How do I do it? By simply following the rules. I am all for allowing access to everyone, but it seems like nobody wants to read the rules. So, there are three (or more) options:

1) Start moderating the Map Room better
2) Make the registration/application process more difficult or;
3) Keep things are the way they are, and everyone ignore it...

I'd opt for more moderation in the map room and a little more patience on the transition from the talk format. As long as the map room is to be open to all chasers regardless of meteoroligcal experience I think the focus should be on moderation and possible removal of Map room privilages for those who continually violate the rules.
 
Just moderate better, my suggestion.

P.S. Hey while all of you are trying to solve ST problems could one of you serious chasers with a background in met. go answer my question about the cap?
 
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