Reports allowed in Weather & Chasing

Tim, does this mean that first hand chase reports will be mixed with after storm forecast analysis, comments on media etc?

It might be nice to keep a formal REPORT thread for each event, plus a couple of other threads as needed for post event analysis and discussion.
I do like being able to see specific first hand chase reports indexed by event and not having to wade through discussion and analysis.

Bill Hark
 
Originally posted by Bill Hark
Tim, does this mean that first hand chase reports will be mixed with after storm forecast analysis, comments on media etc?

Not necessarily. We hope that if there is a "4/26/06 OK: Media circus" thread that someone back from a chase will [wisely] pass on that and put their pics & story in "4/26/06 OK: Anadarko chase". The moderators and myself have the power to split threads if the subjects are diverging, and we will encourage different perspectives to be posted in separate threads.

Tim
 
No clue whatsoever on why this change has been made... The rules are hard to follow when your tired after a chase? I have made quite a few reports in the Maproom after a 20hr chase and I don't see many "rules" that had to be followed when making a REPORT. The Maproom is the most uncluttered and organized forum on the board... REPORTS have been there since the original Target Area. I love looking through the Maproom threads just because they are perfectly organized and unbelievably easy to sift through (due to the fact there is not hundreds of worthless posts) when researching past events.

If anything, make an entire separate board called "REPORTS and DISCUSSIONS" with strict guidelines like the Maproom. I hate to see first hand REPORTS get lost in all the W&C threads... I just cannot find a single reason for this change.
 
Originally posted by Tim Vasquez
story in "4/26/06 OK: Anadarko chase".

Wooo the sound of that gets me excited! Back yard chasing? What's that? lol

I see the point in having them in the Weather & Chasing section. I think the map room is made for reports only, at least that is the way I understand it. If someone would like to talk about why, when, and or how something did or didn’t happen this new rule will help.

Two thumbs up! Good decision. It would be nice however, to keep them in one section in which they could be well organized and such though. Just a thought though.

Mick
 
Originally posted by Mickey Ptak

I see the point in having them in the Weather & Chasing section. I think the map room is made for reports only, at least that is the way I understand it. If someone would like to talk about why, when, and or how something did or didn’t happen.
Mick

No... All REPORTS go in W&C now... That was apart of the new rule (which was my above argument).
 
Originally posted by nickgrillo+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(nickgrillo)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-Mickey Ptak

I see the point in having them in the Weather & Chasing section. I think the map room is made for reports only, at least that is the way I understand it. If someone would like to talk about why, when, and or how something did or didn’t happen.
Mick

No... All REPORTS go in W&C now... That was apart of the new rule (which was my above argument).[/b]

Ooops. I didn't read the last line. Hmmm. Not real sure I like that though, but whatever. The mods and Tim have a plan so we might as well give it a shot.

Mick
 
If you all want to have the option of using REPORT threads in Map Room, let's discuss it. Personally I don't see anything wrong with it. My primary concern is that nowcasts & forecasts stay in Map Room.

Tim
 
Originally posted by Tim Vasquez
If you all want to have the option of using REPORT threads in Map Room, let's discuss it. Personally I don't see anything wrong with it. My primary concern is that nowcasts & forecasts stay in Map Room.

Tim

I liked the old way and I think leaving REPORTS in the Maproom suits absolutely perfectly. As for the discussion on previous events, I would leave those (like they have always been) in W&C (a new board soley for discussion would be nice, but not sure how many people would be interested in it). As I said in my previous post above, the new rule would REALLY clutter up things, and doesn't cater to the chaser who actually chased the day (will guarantee that below each report will be 100 posts from people who didn't even chase it). It would get highly confusing... This is why I liked the REPORTS in the Maproom (by keeping it all less cluttered) given the strict rules.

Chasing is why we have this board :wink:
 
Originally posted by nickgrillo+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(nickgrillo)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-Tim Vasquez
If you all want to have the option of using REPORT threads in Map Room, let's discuss it. Personally I don't see anything wrong with it. My primary concern is that nowcasts & forecasts stay in Map Room.

Tim

I liked the old way and I think leaving REPORTS in the Maproom suits absolutely perfectly. As for the discussion on previous events, I would leave those (like they have always been) in W&C (a new board soley for discussion would be nice, but not sure how many people would be interested in it). As I said in my previous post above, the new rule would REALLY clutter up things, and doesn't cater to the chaser who actually chased the day (will guarantee that below each report will be 100 posts from people who didn't even chase it). It would get highly confusing... This is why I liked the REPORTS in the Maproom (by keeping it all less cluttered) given the strict rules.

Chasing is why we have this board :wink:[/b]


I agree with you here. I think that Reports belong in the MAPROOM, just because for one, it's been that way for so long, and two, because it's more organized and easier to look through, if you going back later on in time to research a previous storm event, then it really saves a lot of time. I also believe it's very consice and easy to look through wuthout any mis-interpretation from excessive cluttering chatter.
 
I still like the idea of a clear and concise REPORT thread. Simply one post by each person which chased on a particular day. Makes it real easy to go back and see what others' catches were on any given chase day. Perhaps MAP ROOM is or isn't the place, but it would be nice to have some area of cyberspace with just reports and no small talk.

Aaron
 
Originally posted by Aaron Kennedy
I still like the idea of a clear and concise REPORT thread. Simply one post by each person which chased on a particular day. Makes it real easy to go back and see what others' catches were on any given chase day. Perhaps MAP ROOM is or isn't the place, but it would be nice to have some area of cyberspace with just reports and no small talk.

Aaron

Yeah, exactly... And the Maproom has never really had a problem handling REPORT threads. While not only putting REPORT threads in W&C lead to massive noise posts, but it will also make the REPORT threads extremely hard to find out of all the other W&C threads (most have nothing to do with chasing). I absolutely vote to keep REPORTS in the Maproom...
 
For Map Room (Target Area), expediency is the operative word: it's a mechanism for letting chasers get quality information quickly as events unfold. Beyond that, we don't really have any obligation to sort stories for chasers, and I don't feel we should be shutting out legitimate discussion about a storm event. Experienced chasers stuck at home may have quite a few pertinent observations, comments, and theories about what they saw on a certain chase day on radar/satellite/grapevine/etc, with those who were in the field or amongst themselves. Of course we don't want clutter, either, so it's an issue we may have to address.

Tim
 
I vote (though we aren't voting) for keeping reports in Map Room--it makes for expedited one-stop shopping on busy wx days, whether in the field or at home wishing.

Dave Gallaher
Huntsville, AL
 
What about keeping REPORTS in the Map Room but allowing post-event discussion in the Weather and chasing forum? This seems to be a pretty good compromise -- folks can still post their REPORTS in an organized thread, yet there is still a place for informal, post-event discussion in Weather and Chasing. So, type your official report in the REPORTS thread, and talk all you want in a Weather and Chasing thread.
 
Originally posted by Jeff Snyder
What about keeping REPORTS in the Map Room but allowing post-event discussion in the Weather and chasing forum? This seems to be a pretty good compromise -- folks can still post their REPORTS in an organized thread, yet there is still a place for informal, post-event discussion in Weather and Chasing. So, type your official report in the REPORTS thread, and talk all you want in a Weather and Chasing thread.

Isn't that the way it was before? :lol:

If an event is worth discussing... Then, yeah, simply open up a thread in W&C (like it has always been). For instance, just a couple of weeks ago... A discussion was created for the Janurary 2nd severe weather event... In W&C.

So, yeah... I say keep the REPORTS (from people who actually CHASE) in the Maproom and put all post-event discussion in W&C. I for one would be in favor of having a totally seperate board, devoted to post-event analysis, but I can understand that idea may not appeal to a broad audience.
 
Originally posted by Jeff Snyder
What about keeping REPORTS in the Map Room but allowing post-event discussion in the Weather and chasing forum? This seems to be a pretty good compromise -- folks can still post their REPORTS in an organized thread, yet there is still a place for informal, post-event discussion in Weather and Chasing. So, type your official report in the REPORTS thread, and talk all you want in a Weather and Chasing thread.

I like this idea.
 
Originally posted by David Drummond+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(David Drummond)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-Jeff Snyder
What about keeping REPORTS in the Map Room but allowing post-event discussion in the Weather and chasing forum? This seems to be a pretty good compromise -- folks can still post their REPORTS in an organized thread, yet there is still a place for informal, post-event discussion in Weather and Chasing. So, type your official report in the REPORTS thread, and talk all you want in a Weather and Chasing thread.

I like this idea.[/b]

I second it. Nick has a good point but discussion is important too. I recommend that a current chase could be discussed in W&C and preferably that it has a subject that describes it like 'May 3rd '99 - Discussion' for organization purposes and only one thread per chase day unless it is a subject secondarily different to just the chase day; Alternatively in Map Room we could have an additional qualifier such as "DISCUSS" and the date to allow discussion in the Map Room apart from just chaser reports. My guess is that most don't want to clutter Map Room up too much though.
 
I like the idea of keeping 'Reports' in the Map Room and using W&C to have a discussion of the severe weather that has occured. Such as talking about the chase, meteoroligical discussions, f-scale ratings. It could also serve as an oppurtunity to encourage post-mortum anaylsis on the setup and chase strategy. It would provide a central thread for all discussion releating to that particular event that has occured.


-Scott Olson.
 
Isn't that the way it was before?

The difference here is that up until now, it was "illegal" to post chase discussions in Weather & Chasing for events that were less than 48 hours old. Such discussions had to go in a REPORT thread in Map Room. Guess what... only chasers on the storm could post in a REPORT thread. That's why we're trying to open things up a bit. We may go with allowing REPORT threads in Map Room still.

Tim
 
I too think there should be a specific place reserved for all chase reports and chase reports alone. I also feel they should be grouped into a single thread containing all that day's reports, at least for events that occur in the same area. I would support more than one thread for different regions if that happened.

But if I am reading the changes correctly, you could have multiple reports threads, all about the same day. That would seem totally confusing. I wouldn't sift through 20 seperate posts just to get all the chase updates. And that's if it's the day of the event. As far as chronology and looking at specific dates at a later time, I wouldn't even consider it.

For the record, I don't care if REPORTS remains in maproom. It could be there or in W&C. That part I don't care about. But I think it would be a huge mistake to do away with the REPORTS threads completely or just as bad, fragmenting them into many threads. I see no reason why REPORTS can't remain as is, with any post event discussion conducted in W&C. It's really been that way the whole time anyway.

It just seems like the old approach worked well and was simple, while this new one would really make things rather difficult and fragmented. Of course that's just my opinion.

-George
 
Originally posted by nickgrillo
No clue whatsoever on why this change has been made... The rules are hard to follow when your tired after a chase? I have made quite a few reports in the Maproom after a 20hr chase and I don't see many "rules" that had to be followed when making a REPORT. The Maproom is the most uncluttered and organized forum on the board... REPORTS have been there since the original Target Area. I love looking through the Maproom threads just because they are perfectly organized and unbelievably easy to sift through (due to the fact there is not hundreds of worthless posts) when researching past events.

If anything, make an entire separate board called "REPORTS and DISCUSSIONS" with strict guidelines like the Maproom. I hate to see first hand REPORTS get lost in all the W&C threads... I just cannot find a single reason for this change.

He's not saying REPORT threads will be put into Weather & Chasing...he's saying that moderators have the power (and will use it) to split topics inside of Weather & Chasing should they become off-topic due to people putting REPORT threads there erronously.

The only "change" is a more aggressive "clean-up" protocol for keeping REPORTS separate from other BS posts. Settle down, Grasshopper.
 
Originally posted by Shane Adams+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Shane Adams)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-nickgrillo
No clue whatsoever on why this change has been made... The rules are hard to follow when your tired after a chase? I have made quite a few reports in the Maproom after a 20hr chase and I don't see many "rules" that had to be followed when making a REPORT. The Maproom is the most uncluttered and organized forum on the board... REPORTS have been there since the original Target Area. I love looking through the Maproom threads just because they are perfectly organized and unbelievably easy to sift through (due to the fact there is not hundreds of worthless posts) when researching past events.

If anything, make an entire separate board called "REPORTS and DISCUSSIONS" with strict guidelines like the Maproom. I hate to see first hand REPORTS get lost in all the W&C threads... I just cannot find a single reason for this change.

He's not saying REPORT threads will be put into Weather & Chasing...he's saying that moderators have the power (and will use it) to split topics inside of Weather & Chasing should they become off-topic due to people putting REPORT threads there erronously.

The only "change" is a more aggressive "clean-up" protocol for keeping REPORTS separate from other BS posts. Settle down, Grasshopper.[/b]

Nope:

Originally posted by new maproom TOS
TALK and REPORT are no longer permitted.

Any post-chase summaries or storm discussions (formerly REPORT) may take place in Weather Lab, providing that you are not discussing something occurring now or about to occur.

That was my whole argument above... To keep the REPORT threads soley in the Maproom.
 
I think reports should stay in Map Room, becuase they are easier to find there than among the much greater variety of material in Weather and Chasing. I also agree with the one post per person per event rule for Reports in Map Room. However, I have two points on the 48 hour issue. First, I agree with Tim that threads related to weather that has occurred within the last 48 hours should be allowed in Weather and Chasing. They could include discussions of the dynamics that produced the severe wx, discussion (other than first hand chaser reports) of what occurred in the storm, and discussions of things like chaser convergence, chase etiquette breaches, etc. Second, I think it should be permitted to post a report in Map Room more than 48 hours after an event, becuase sometimes it just isn't possible to get a report written up and posted within 48 hours due to travel, work obligations, or good chase days coming in rapid succession. That's my $.02
 
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