Reed Timmers new Dominator 3

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Who says he has to publish papers or info? Why is it bad that he's doing something he loves and making $ too?

I only get to chase for 2 weeks per year, and I've done it all for myself, never helping with "the science". I take my pics/video/time-lapses and have them for my own enjoyment. Only a handful of people have ever seen anything I've captured. I rarely even post any of it on my social media accounts (a few pics over the years). Does that make me a bad person? If I could make a living traveling the country and chasing weather, I'd probably jump at the chance. I'm betting most people on this site would as well.

That’s true, but everybody on here already knows that. There’s nobody on ST that would claim chasing can only be for science and not for enjoyment. Professional meteorologists and scientists are a small minority of the ST community. The criticism of RT is not about that. In my opinion, it is more about:
- Implying that he is doing scientific research, although he really isn’t. And Jeff’s post seems to indicate he is actually taking in money for this, without any actual, discernible contribution to the science
- Unsafe behavior on the roads, When you’re a high-profile chaser that others learn from or seek to emulate, you have a greater responsibility to set a good example
- General lunatic behavior, screaming and yelling like a teenage girl at a Taylor Swift concert. Yeah, you can say “then just don’t watch,” but it can’t help but rub chasers the wrong way. We take pride in what we do, and to see someone almost become a parody of it, and be an example of yahoo behavior for the masses, is troubling. It makes us all look like yahoos, again sets a bad example for newer chasers, and is largely responsible for the increasing masses of unknowledgeable idiots we are seeing out there. He’s like the guy that destroyed a secret surf spot or hiking trail by hyping it all over the place. For years, veteran chasers blamed “Twister” in 1996 for bringing new chasers out en masse. At the time, I was considered part of the new cohort, even though here I am now 27 years later. But RT has done more to turn chasing into a circus than anyone, particularly with the trend toward getting closer and closer. Turning chasing into a media stunt, and pushing the boundaries of safety, is not going to endear him to the rest of us that truly love.
chasing.
- Did he ever even contribute to this community on ST? Of course not. I am sure he (and, to be fair, many other well-known chasers and tour group leaders) think they are too good to be here with us lower-tier amateurs.
- Honestly, there probably is some envy among some, for the exact reasons you describe - on some level, many of us probably wish we could be chasing more and making a living out of it. But if he did it in a different way, chasers would be rooting for him, not disparaging him.

My intent is just to answer the questions raised by your post, but personally I don’t really spend much time thinking about RT one way or the other. He has gotten some great stuff over the years, and I do sometimes think he’s got himself a pretty good gig (although, personally, I don’t think I would be willing to do *that* much chasing, with all the driving, disappointments, and wasted time on boring, marginal events - you know, all the stuff not shown on his social media feeds).
 
HOLY CHEESE BALLS BATMAN! HE GOT ANOTHER ONE! :D

I know John just posted a link too, but the video thumbnail isn't popping up here. Plus, I wanted to do it lol

2 intercepts in one week? Honestly impressive. I've been watching his livestreams again since he got Dom 3 back and this one happened just a few hours after I got home from college yesterday. And I missed it...
 
Seeing that intercept from the drone's perspective was pretty cool..not as cool as that from inside the Dominator though!

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Stopping in/blocking a lane the road seems pretty dangerous (for other traffic)...
But that said even if there was space to pull off, with the weight of that beast & how low to the ground it sits, I assume it'd just sink into & get stuck in the mud?

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Kevin H ll said:
Jonathan Scrogham said:
Although I heard, "DEPLOY SPIKES!" I hope they didn't deploy spikes on that paved road.
Just curious: why? The spikes aren't that big, nor do they go very deep.
He made holes in the road :eek: he started some potholes...
.lol.
 
A couple of quick comments.
  • Reed has contributed to the science by shooting that rocket into a tornadic supercell. Obtaining that data and making it available was quite an accomplishment.
The most useful science called for is almost never throwing things or vehicles into tornadoes. This tells us almost nothing we do not already know. Source? I have had conversations with real scientsts on what is actually useful, and not one asked to throw vehicles or probes into tornadoes.
  • That sounds very much like the Fujita downburst controversy from 1977 to 1985. Virtually the entire mainstream of weather science said Fujita was wrong and that downbursts didn't exist. It was probably the most intense controversy in the history of meteorology. Ted was so upset that it affected his health. Of course, Fujita was vindicated. We don't know what we don't know. Who knows whether a probe -- surface or aloft -- might be significantly useful?
 
Thinking about something with Dominator 3...
It has these "air bags" (Reeds words) that are part of the suspension system that raises/lowers the vehicle. When he deploys/lowers it, that happens pretty quickly, but then to raise it back up they have to sit and wait for the air bags to reinflate. (Having seen a livestream where they were looking at the little compressor & stuff that are part of the system (and previously having seen air shocks(which I'm guessing is what he calls an air bag)) I kinda get how it works & why it'd be so slow...

But that also makes me wonder why they went with a 'slow' setup in the 1st place. Wouldn't the idea with chasing be that once you've deployed & the tornado has passed, you'd want to be able to pretty quickly get up & go, to head for other possible intercepts?
Main thing I wonder is instead of that why they didn't go with some thing like the Mexican guys use on those cars with all the hydraulics(don't remember what the proper name for them is).
I've seen them in action, and they can raise/lower wheels quickly. Seems like that type of thing would be a better choice, but I really don't know anything about those systems... Maybe that didn't exist back when the Dominator was built? Or maybe its just too heavy?
 
Jeff Wright said:
I want a passive millimetric wave camera atop that thing—like this
That would be cool & a good upgrade. Maybe once technology improves/prices drop he'll add one.
That technology is still in its infancy, certainly going to be interesting to see what happens with it.

That I know of—no chaser has used this or FLIR—in stormchasing.
The FLIR might be a way of looking at heat…debris scraping, etc.
I'd love to have a thermal imaging camera (wouldn't need to be Flir brand) ... but last time I looked, prices were really high, and the resolution was pathetically low.
 
Well...congrats on him accomplishing something that had been accomplished at least 10 years ago (in a stronger tornado, btw). I heard that the anemometer on the TIV2 that went through the Lebanon, KS tornado on 27 May 2013 failed at 175 mph. That tornado was rated as EF3 (although the wind measurements would put it in the EF4 range)...and the turret at the top of the vehicle ripped open during the intercept. Friday's tornado looked to be in the EF1-EF2 range.

I assume we'll hear about this at the next AMS Severe Local Storms conference in 2024...if not another conference sooner than that. I mean, if you're serious about presenting the results of robust scientific measurements from inside tornadoes, then this is the premiere conference in which to present this information.
 
I too salute this accomplishment will be awaiting data from the TIV to be presented at the next conference, although it's my understanding that the International YouTube festival falls on the same date. :( I don't think any of us can comprehend the importance of the life-saving data collected by the TIV, which collectively, after some 20 years, must be close to solving the mysteries of tornadogenesis. My only regret is that the TIV does not have a larger interior, so more scientists could be collecting data during the deployment. I'm assuming a major research partner like NCAR or MIT will be backing this project or constructing their own TIV's soon?
 
Just curious: why? The spikes aren't that big, nor do they go very deep.


Those new 8 in deep holes will let water in. The next few months' rainfall will first cause erosion underneath and then water will freeze and break the pavement next winter. By next spring these will be full blown potholes.

Unless they get repaired by the county/state.

I think it breaks the "leave no trace" mentality a big part of the chaser community tries to value. Is it a big deal? I don't know really, but I'd also tend to agree with the principle that the burden of fixing the road should not be placed on the local taxpayers.


This does not take away the fact that the footage is incredible and the data gathered seems significant.
 
Those new 8 in deep holes will let water in. The next few months' rainfall will first cause erosion underneath and then water will freeze and break the pavement next winter. By next spring these will be full blown potholes.

Unless they get repaired by the county/state.

I think it breaks the "leave no trace" mentality a big part of the chaser community tries to value. Is it a big deal? I don't know really, but I'd also tend to agree with the principle that the burden of fixing the road should not be placed on the local taxpayers.


This does not take away the fact that the footage is incredible and the data gathered seems significant.
Fair enough actually. Never thought about that.
 
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