Rapidly Declining Quality on Storm Track

Has the elusive F5 finally struck ST?

I know this thread will probably end up in a flame war, but here goes. I've noticed the quality of posts on ST have been declining pretty fast. For starters, people are using absolutely horrible grammar. I'm not talking about your random spelling mistake, I'm talking about no caps, no periods, no commas, no paragraphs, and posts that seem to have more mispelled words than correctly spelled words. That's on top of posts that seem to make little sense (bots?).

There also seems to be an influx of people who can't (and won't) follow the rules for the Forecast room. I see alot of people being repeatedly "warned" by mods, but nothing changes - the user(s) continue on. I'm not against "newbies" signing up for ST, but at least make sure you know some good grammar before jumping in. And PLEASE follow the Forecast forum rules. This means; don't ask questions, don't repost NWS bulletins, don't get off topic, etc.. Read the rules as required - it's all right there, nicely organized at the top of each forum.

Has something changed with the registration process? Are users no longer required to complete a short essay describing themselves (and their met background) before being "accepted"? I just feel like we're at the point in quality where we'll start seeing user handles like "MrWxGuy" and "ImTehBest".

I don't feel like the problem is coming from the Bar and Grill, rather it seems to be unfolding in ALL of the forums here on ST. I really hope the quality issue can be resolved...
 
Not sure as I have not been a member enough years to see and determine how the board normally responds to the off season (I have been here long enough that I had to complete the essay when I signed up), however I think the decline in quality posts maybe attributed to the time of year combined with a slow 06 season. Perhaps some (not all as there are still many active) of the true hardcore chasers are dormit this time of year and or careless about the quality of posts here. I am guessing as the chase season nears the quality of post will return to a higer standard. Another theroy is the decline in a quality board is driving away quality members and means ddomsday for the board; not likely.
 
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Tim rescinded the essay requirement when we made the switch over to VBulletin.
 
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It must be something, because I was thinking the same thing.

It seems like there is a lack of quality new threads....almost like there is nothing to talk about.

I also get the feeling like I want to become way less active here. It's becoming a major time burglar.
 
It must be something, because I was thinking the same thing.

It seems like there is a lack of quality new threads....almost like there is nothing to talk about.

I also get the feeling like I want to become way less active here. It's becoming a major time burglar.

A thread similar to this one seems to come up every winter (no offense Rob!). I think the lack of storms means that there are some dubious discussions to "fill the time". In a few months, when the severe convective threat returns to the US, we will see (if past trends hold) a turn-around in the quality and subject of most the threads and posts on the forum.

As far as I know, we're enforcing the Chase Forecast and Chase Reports forums as strictly as we always have. There are a few marginal posts in some DISC threads, but that's partially why we made the DISC thread (as a more relaxed place to discuss the event, post pictures and webpages from media, etc). If you have concerns about particular posts, please use the "Report Post" feature (the icon that looks like a yield roadsign), and the moderators will take action (or discuss the post and not take action) as quickly as possible. The moderators are doing what we can to maintain a high-quality forum, while also helping to keep it friendly and accessible. That said, again, we certainly appreciate feedback, so there is nothing wrong with threads like this!

As Scott noted previously, the essay requirement has been removed, and new members do not need to be approved by the moderating team.
 
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Well, I have to admit that I feel like an idiot for posting in this since I am not a long time member and don't have many posts. But when I do post I make sure that it is worthy of being on here and not going to be a waste of someones time to read it.
An example of "maturity" on this board for me is that I do not post in the Forecasts thread because I cannot forecast anything near the quality that most of the veteran members regularly exhibit. Circumstances and gained knowledge will change that some day, but until then I will probably stick to Reports and casual weather disc.

Then again '07 will be my first year of chasing West of the Mississippi River, perhaps then I will have more confidence in Forecasting for the years to come. Otherwise, I absolutely love this forum and look forward to meeting other members in the field this coming Spring!

PS: I would agree that the short essay is PERFECT for keeping the forum proffesional in appearance and purpose. If possible, perhaps it should be re-instated.

Regardless, I will always want to contribute to this forum when I am chasing ... or discovering unique/interesting information.
 
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What is the reason for removing the essay from the forum anyway? I suppose it took too much time to read them all and get them approved. I believe that it might be in the best interest of this forum to acquire some sort of "credentials" to become a member.
 
u guys are just a bunch of stupid eltitists !! just because us new people r getting on this board u want to kick us out!! grrr i dont like this at all because I just spent $4000 on storm chaser decals for my car and now you want people like me off just because I am new and one of teh best chasers here I know I have only chased for 6 months but dont condemn me!!! if I keep hereing this crap I am starting my own board with my own chaser posse! yeah I am sick of how the rest of you water down this board if everyne posted like me then we woldnt have thsese problems

Welcome to winter. Yes, a tightening of standards would be nice, but on the other hand I think boredom has kicked in with most of us. We can only post on the same 2 dozen revolving questions such as cell phone coverage post, best ham radio, Jotto desk question, favorite chase restaurants, etc. before our minds melt into butter. My recommendation? Go where all the other bored people are: FARK.COM.
 

Rob that's not a word. ;)

As an aside - I feel your pain, agree wholeheartedly, etc. etc. But I've been striving for a grammatically-correct ST population since man invented the wheel......and it's not going to happen. More's the pity.

I am sure that - with the application essay and prove-your-worth mentality having been lifted from ST membership applications - any old jock can and will apply to be a member - and will be approved. Unfortunately for ST - this lowers the signal to noise ratio, lowers the quality of posts - and makes me shake my head when I read every third or fourth post which has no caps, all caps, bad grammar, incorrect spelling......well the list could go on. Personally - it is spoiling ST for me. But I am just one.

KL
 
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Is there a spellcheck feature that can be implemented? I know this won't solve grammar issues but it's a start.
 
You also have to remember that it is off-season. That does have a lot of implications too. I don't see a drop in quality other than possibly some marketers who just want to get their name in who may not be chasers/weather enthusiasts themselves. We just need to remember it's T-4 months till chase season starts back up. :)
 
Is there a spellcheck feature that can be implemented? I know this won't solve grammar issues but it's a start.

I've seen forum software before that has a spell check option. I doubt you will find any that would perform real-time spelling checks, due to a number of reasons, one being unnecessary overhead for the host server. But even if there was a spell-check button here on ST, you would have to hope the guy/gal that was too lazy to spell properly was not too lazy to hit the check button. :rolleyes: Not likely, IMO.

Scott
 
Hi all!
Well, I can attest to the fact that this subject will get somebody flamed. About two years ago, I brought up the very same subject, and man, the poop hit the fan. I was violently flamed immediately. It was water off a duck's back to me, but I learned really quickly that nobody wanted to be held accountable about their spelling or content. I came away thinking that I was just being a conservative old foggy, and I'd better get used to the sloppy postings.
And regarding the most recent boring posts in S.T., yeah, it's just wintertime. It's like this every year.
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you all. Joel
 
This is all me and Grillo's fault, isn't it?? ;)

I'll agree that a lot of the issue is winter, and the majority of us are bored and don't know what to do with ourselves. With no forecast or NOW threads to browse non-stop we just make dumb posts elsewhere.

As far as the spelling and grammar, it's gotten to the point where obviously I've become a jerk and poked fun at some of the grammar and spelling on here. I don't mean to make it personal but it's not that hard to throw a period in the middle of your paragraph once in a while, or be familiar with the spellings of the word "tornado" or "supercell", you know? Some of the people may just be young and have not aquired typing skills yet, others may be new to the internet/forums, and the rest are just...
 
Sorry, but there is no excuse for some of the horrible grammar and spelling on this forum. It doesn't fly in the real world, it doesn't fly in school, and it should not fly here.

It is not the foreigners I am talking about either. I am honored they would take the time to learn our language and contribute in our forum. Its the Americans. This is one of the most technologically advanced and well educated countries in the world....with free school.

BTW, I think Firefox 2.0 has a spellcheck feature built in.
 
I know a member that recieved a warning from a moderator the other night (via the board features -- not a classic verbal one via PM) for calling someone a "jerk" in the Richard Simmons B&G thread -- and it wasn't written in a derogatory context, it was a classic comeback (e.g. "your mom is a jerk") in a comical sense when a different member called Letterman a jerk above it. I'd rather be called an "MF" by a member in some forum then to sift through pages of crap from members that don't even know what a cold front is -- posting in the Forecasts section!

You'd think if a moderator has such an easy time issuing warnings over stuff like this ("ad-hominem" attacks) that you'd think there would be no problem with stupid posts and stupid posters being removed -- especially after generating a plethora of worthless posts (I can name a few members that have made pervasive stupid postings and get away with it). There are numerous members that have contributed absolutely nothing to chase-related discussion, especially in the Chase Forecasts section, yet they have posted an accumulation crap everywhere else on the forum.

It's not that hard to use the ban and warning buttons, bros! If it's done so easily on "ad-hominem" attacks, then it shouldn't be too hard to do it for other annoyances and/or violations.

Since you wanted to specifically address something I did Nick, yes I issued a warning to someone that called someone else a jerk. It's not always easy for a moderator to tell if it's a tongue-in-cheek playfull calling, or something more serious. If we can't always tell, other readers might not be able to. That sort of joking around is best left to PMs.

We don't know each and every member of the board personally to judge their actions by. Tim has a rule against it, so yes the warning was issued. I would do it again as long as Tim has a rule against it. It was a temporary warning anyway, expires in 10 days.

Tim hasn't mandated any rules yet that I know of the ban or issue warnings for "stupid posters" or "stupid posts". So no, we don't issue warnings or ban people for that at this time.

Since deciding what exactly is stupid and what isn't could vary quite a bit from one person's perception to the next person's perception, I don't see a rule coming for that.

I agree, there are some that post that could use some dire help in the spelling and grammar department, but while one of those posts is annoying, making 5 more posts to correct or make fun of the person is 5 times as annoying.
 
Incorrect... From the Rules:

4. Quality. High post quality is a benchmark of Stormtrack membership. Users are considered to be in violation if they (1) contribute excessive numbers of "one-liners", "LOL", and "smilies" -type posts; or (2) post in Bar & Grill without a corresponding number of quality chase/weather posts. Users routinely contributing noise to our discussions are subject to suspension or termination.

I wonder why this isn't practiced regularly? I sure see no sign of this rule being enforced at all... LMAO...
 
Incorrect... From the Rules:

4. Quality. High post quality is a benchmark of Stormtrack membership. Users are considered to be in violation if they (1) contribute excessive numbers of "one-liners", "LOL", and "smilies" -type posts; or (2) post in Bar & Grill without a corresponding number of quality chase/weather posts. Users routinely contributing noise to our discussions are subject to suspension or termination.

I wonder why this isn't practiced regularly? I sure see no sign of this rule being enforced at all... LMAO...

The report button up there is open to anyone on the forum. If there is a post you feel violates a rule Nick, your more than welcome to use it at any time, and the mods will review the post/thread and determine what action (if any) is taken.
 
Wasn't there a time when people without a certain percentage of posts being weather related were not able to post in the off-topic forums? I could be wrong, but remember something similar to that a year or two ago. Is that not an option anymore with this server, or did we just decide to do away with it?

Perhaps this would just lead to a mess of non-sense in the weather sections.
 
Wasn't there a time when people without a certain percentage of posts being weather related were not able to post in the off-topic forums? I could be wrong, but remember something similar to that a year or two ago. Is that not an option anymore with this server, or did we just decide to do away with it?

Perhaps this would just lead to a mess of non-sense in the weather sections.

Yeah, I believe your EE posts couldn't represent more than 30% of your total postings within the board -- that was implimented when the "change" occurred back in 8/05. Of course, I'm sure that has been done away with, too! Not that it helped all that much, though.
 
Incorrect... From the Rules:

4. Quality. High post quality is a benchmark of Stormtrack membership. Users are considered to be in violation if they (1) contribute excessive numbers of "one-liners", "LOL", and "smilies" -type posts; or (2) post in Bar & Grill without a corresponding number of quality chase/weather posts. Users routinely contributing noise to our discussions are subject to suspension or termination.

I wonder why this isn't practiced regularly? I sure see no sign of this rule being enforced at all... LMAO...

Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't occurring. Moderators are encouraged to handle all administrative and moderating matters through the PM system to keep such matters off the public board. So, unless there is a problem/violation that occurs several times in a thread, any moderating/administrative action will not be specifically noted in the thread. So again, just because you don't see us acting on something certainly does not mean that we don't.

In addition, it would be extremely difficult to try to enforce a quality rule outside of the condition that you noted in the rule. If I recall correctly, we tend to do a couple of memberbase "prunings" each year, which includes performing a B&G-to-meteorological content ratio examination. In the past, users deemed to have too high of a proportion of B&G posts to chasing-related posts have been disallowed from posting in the B&G forum. This can have an unintended consequence of low-quality posts in other chasing-related subforums like "Weather and Chasing" solely because users want to decrease their B&G-to-chasing content ratio. Then, on the end of the mods, it's nearly impossible to judge what is "good enough" to count. We certainly cannot go into that game... We've had similar discussions in the past, but the general consensus from the Stormtrack membership was that everyone should be able to chime in to any discussion, with no regard to how basic or "advanced" the topic matter is. This is fine, but this also indirectly means that Stormtrack is a public forum, into which anyone can join (a la "anyone could subscribe to the old Stormtrack magazine, so anyone should be able to join Stormtrack, regardless of whether they chase"). Note that there really should be no implied connection between the knowledge level of a member or discussion (beginner, advanced, etc) and the quality of a thread. We were all beginners at one time, and there are certainly high-quality discussions that may address "beginner" topics, just as there are low-quality threads that may try to address more advanced topics. We have many members who are new to chasing and try their best to maintain a high-quality board. We appreciate all members as long as the rules are followed.

At this time, the best way, I believe, to keep ST a high-quality board is to do what we can individually. In other words, those who can should contribute to technical or more advanced discussions. Likewise, avoid commenting in those threads that you consider "low-quality". If you have concerns about a particular member, please PM one of the moderators, and we will try to address those concerns.
 
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I'll never understand the bouncing back-and-forth of this board... There was a major brawl back last summer about having people write essays / prove chase expierence in order to join. Now the board allows "anyone" to join? I'm not gonna disagree and bring that whole stupid subject back up again, but it's just interesting how this "transformation" took place and why it did... ?

(the thing is with the "anyone could subscribe to ST" is that it meant anyone could read the magazine. Now anyone can write and "contribute" [if you wanna call it that] on ST, regardless if they chase, or ever even plan to chase or not).
 
It appears to me that the grammar and spelling problems are possibly based from schools not holding a high enough standard. Read any newspaper these days and you'll find error after error. It's become an epidemic as far as I can see. So at least it's not a problem just for ST. My comment would be that maybe we need to be a little less critical of others. I look at ST as a fellowship of chasers. Sometimes it seems like we're trying to scare people away from the chasing community instead of making them feel welcome. Just a thought.
 
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