Psychoceramic theory

[cstrunk]

Seems kind of silly to me, unless there is something else to the make-up of a tornado besides wind, a pressure change, and debris.

For plants, I could not see any lingering effects unless a sizable amount of topsoil was removed, or a chemical was spilled onto the soil from debris.

Unless there is another realm to the composition of tornadoes, I don't see any way that one could change the chemical make-up of concrete or anything like that.

Interesting discussion, but to me it's kind of like discussing ghosts and UFO's.

 

[Dave Gallaher]

The one and only difference of that job and the hundreds of others, before and after, is the F-4. That leads me to my question that has been eating at me for 7 years, can a tornado change the chemical make-up of concrete or change something below the concrete? As in the vapor barrier or ground water table?

That's an interesting observation, Von.

Interesting discussion, but to me it's kind of like discussing ghosts and UFO's.

I agree, hence the thread title being crackpot theory. But after Von's post, I wonder what other anomalies have been noted that are not grouped into one account somewhere.

Tell me what I'm leaving out here. Main known tornado components are:
wind
moisture
pressure gradient
electricity/lightning

What about:
friction
vacuum effects
possible mixing of unrelated compounds in a centrifuge-like manner
short-range variance in temperatures
?

 

[B Jensen]

I have also had questions concerning what a tornado may do to certain substrates. I am in the industrial coatings business and in 2001 my company completed a large project on a 100,000 sq. ft. manufacturing facility in the OKC area. We put a 30 mil epoxy system on the warehouse, break rooms and manufacturing area of this facility and for two years the floor performed perfectly. Then came May 8, 2003..... The facility was essentially destroyed by the F-4 made a direct hit. We were then called in again to re-do the floor to its original look.

Just curious, did you investigate if any of the substances used in the facility would react with the raw coating? If during the process of the tornado, this floor became contaminated with other chemicals used in what ever manufacturing process that occured, assuming the concrete slab was reused?

 

[Von Castor]

My attorney tells me to take the 5th on your question BJenson.......But seriously this matter was brought into the legal arena and thousands of dollars, both by the owner of the facility and by my company, were spent on attorneys, depositions, investigations, inspections, and testing and still to date, no answers. The insurance money was going to pay the owners for tearing out the slab and replacing it but they decided to use the money elsewhere and to simply recoat the floor. After all the demo of what was left of the building and the new structure erected, we started our part of the project by degreasing, shotblasting, grinding and solvent wiping. This ensures you have a clean, bondable substrate for the subsequent coats of epoxy. Any contaminants of the surface were well gone after this surface prep.
We were not privy to any of the results of the tests that were conducted on the liquids found in the bubbles but they were initially trying to lay blame on the coating or chemicals in the coating. But then they could not explain why the exact same thing was happening underneath the glue down laminent which we did not install.
I know this is a pretty boring read with all the details but this is very perplexing to me and I'm glad Dave brought this subject up although it's not exactly how his thread started and Dave I'm sorry if I have hijacked your thread.
I agree with many of you that this sounds totally ridiculous and silly but something happened that so far, with many many thousands of $ spent and many bright minds with magnifying glasses looking on, has not been explained.

 

[Von Castor]

Just one more thought.....I, as I'm sure many of you, have seen some really, really strange things that tornados can do and cause ie...featherless turkeys, scoured asphalt, even a five gallon pale with no top or bottom slipped like a glove over an 8 inch diameter tree (Red Rock OK). I'm quite sure that there are things we don't know about these objects of our affection.....heck we still can't even predict them so I for one am keeping an open mind. Great thread Dave!

 

[Dave Gallaher]

I know this is a pretty boring read with all the details but this is very perplexing to me and I'm glad Dave brought this subject up although it's not exactly how his thread started and Dave I'm sorry if I have hijacked your thread.
I agree with many of you that this sounds totally ridiculous and silly but something happened that so far, with many many thousands of $ spent and many bright minds with magnifying glasses looking on, has not been explained.

Not a threadjack at all, Von. Besides the visible anomalies you mentioned, there are bound to be many things we don't know yet. I looked at my daffodils today, still struggling even though it was a nice day. It's like they can't get their act together. I don't think they were above ground at all on January 21st, though they may have had shoots poking up. I'll be watching more closely next year.

 

[Dave Gallaher]

Okay, photo evidence time (cell phone photos, sorry).

My neighbor's daffodils from outside the tornado path (like mine, just growing untended in the grass):

My daffodils, which used to bloom a week or more earlier than those above:

However, on the bright side--proof that my daffodils are more evolved, even if blossom-challenged: some were seeking shelter in a ditch.

 

[Greg Campbell]

Wow, that's interesting. If you look closely, you'll see that they're clearly aligned along a Cardioid curve!