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You never answered my question (in the other thread which you double posted in)....did your device ever get FCC Type accepted (Part 15) as is required by US law to sell your product here in the United States. Just curious?
 
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Jason Foster said:
You never answered my question (in the other thread which you double posted in)....did your device ever get FCC Type accepted (Part 15) as is required by US law to sell your product here in the United States. Just curious?
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Jason,

No we don't have as same as competitor products.

By the way, I am not planning to answer your further questions since I believe they are not well-meaning.
 
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Well-meaning or not, it's a legit question, though personally as a consumer I could care less about such things so long as the product is safe. You could just say "no" and be up front about it, since that's more or less what you're saying through omission.
 
His question would be welcome if he has not called us as a "fly-by-night Turkish company" in the other posts although he doesn't have neither positive or negative experience with our company&product.
 
This is not about having an evil plot or anything. It is just that I believe in honest and straight forward practices and following laws and regulations set forth. The competition you speak of is US based and have a different set of regulations. However, there are many regulations for international manufacturers. You can thank the abuses of the Chinese for many of this. As a previous ham radio operator and one that has seen many foreign products enter the US market place illegally and cause a bit of harm. Sure you product may not cause as much harm as say a black market laptop or computer screen, but rules must be applied the same.

I point it out in part because I believe in supporting US vendors and manufacturers who follow the rules. I also haven't seen anyone from those other companies selling here or are members of ST, but I could be wrong. I also in part ask because I think that fellow members may not have thought out the issue and should be aware so as to understand that such devices (if deemed illegal) are illegal to own as well and may be subject to fines. The FCC Part 15 website has some information on this for those that would like to check for themselves.

The whole reason that items are Type Accepted (tested) is to prevent harmful interference to other devices. We've seen where some devices can interfere with everything from heart monitors (in hospitals) to ham radios, to laptop computers. The local PEPCO RF interference investigator who's presented many times here has show that many examples of problems....one fascinating story of a harmless situation of a non-complaint remote control reeking havoc with a slew of TV in one row of town homes.

You seem to have sold plenty of triggers so just file for Type Acceptance and do the proper procedure to be legal (if you in fact have not). Once compliant, you won't hear a word from me....hell, I'd even consider testing it and giving some feedback on it. I'm not out to get you or anything. I haven't even reported it to the FCC. I just want you and any other international manufacturer to play by the same rules as US manufacturers.
 
Jason Foster said:
It is just that I believe in honest and straight forward practices and following laws and regulations set forth. The competition you speak of is US based and have a different set of regulations. However, there are many regulations for international manufacturers. ... Sure you product may not cause as much harm as say a black market laptop or computer screen, but rules must be applied the same.

I point it out in part because I believe in supporting US vendors and manufacturers who follow the rules. ... The FCC Part 15 website has some information on this for those that would like to check for themselves.

The whole reason that items are Type Accepted (tested) is to prevent harmful interference to other devices. We've seen where some devices can interfere with everything from heart monitors (in hospitals) to ham radios, to laptop computers.

You seem to have sold plenty of triggers so just file for Type Acceptance and do the proper procedure to be legal (if you in fact have not). Once compliant, you won't hear a word from me....hell, I'd even consider testing it and giving some feedback on it. I'm not out to get you or anything. I haven't even reported it to the FCC. I just want you and any other international manufacturer to play by the same rules as US manufacturers.
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I agree totally that the seller should do whatever is needed to be compliant with FCC requirements. However, I have not found anything that says the rules are different for US-based vs. international companies (since the larger companies are often at least partially US-based even if the product is designed/built offshore, so, often very difficult to determine anyway). This device should at least be tested, but, from what I've found on the FCC website (which may not be complete, I may have missed something), this device would, in the worst case, be a Part 15, Subpart B device which covers "unintentional radiators". And, regulation 15.101 details what level of authorization is required for such devices (and this device probably fits in the "All other devices" category which would require only verification, i.e., the manufacturer is required to have tested the device to determine that any radiations are below allowed levels and would only have to submit something to the FCC if requested).

I'm basing this on the following FCC links ...

http://www.fcc.gov/oet/ea/ea_app_info.html
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/tex...3&tpl=/ecfrbrowse/Title47/47cfr15_main_02.tpl
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/tex...&view=text&node=47:1.0.1.1.14.2.242.1&idno=47
 
the OET portion of the website is where I got my information:
http://www.fcc.gov/oet/ea/
I didn't look into US based information as much as I did international because the product here is from outside the US. If the US rules are the same, than the others need to comply too...I'm not going to give them a break either really. I just have more of a passion for protecting US consumers from foreign stuff since it has been a large problem. CES show in fact examples how much the Chinese (among others) want to flood the market. But in this case specifically, I'm just looking out for fellow chasers.
 
Jason Foster said:
the OET portion of the website is where I got my information:
http://www.fcc.gov/oet/ea/
I didn't look into US based information as much as I did international because the product here is from outside the US. If the US rules are the same, than the others need to comply too...I'm not going to give them a break either really. I just have more of a passion for protecting US consumers from foreign stuff since it has been a large problem. CES show in fact examples how much the Chinese (among others) want to flood the market. But in this case specifically, I'm just looking out for fellow chasers.
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Looks like the same place I looked at (the links I posted were all reachable from there). So, anyone manufacturing a product (and I believe that includes US based manufacturers) that MIGHT radiate RF unintentionally needs to, at a minimum (depending on the type of device), test the device to ensure that it is within the standards ... and be prepared to produce documentation of such test if requested by the FCC. And, pretty much any electronic device might radiate RF and should be tested as a Part 15 device (especially if there are cables involved since they can become tiny antennas) according to the standards/regulations from the FCC.
 
Has anyone purchased and received this thing yet? I showed it to a friend who ordered it a couple weeks ago but has yet to receive it.

He figured $100 he was game, I was.... I want to see yours first :)
 
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