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Oklahoma Weather Tracking Licensure Legislation

There is no word yet if the OHP rejects the latest revision. I'm assuming they do, since news crews can still drive like imbeciles.
They aren't the only ones. This photo is from Saturday.

I like Reed and he has done some good for our profession/avocation. That said, the 'Dominator' brushed me and was a couple of inches from running over my foot near Pratt on April 12, 2012, and there are plenty of other times when his/their driving has left a lot to be desired.
 

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Historically state officials/offices are very reluctant to get involved in legislative matters. It is either illegal in the state, or at least considered bad form, and they often don't want to make enemies with the folks who determine their office budget. IMO, flooding the inboxes of OK legislator members with video of TV chasers driving bad would have more impact. As most of us who chase know, a couple of TV chasers in OK are the biggest danger and problem out there.

To me the biggest danger in this bill right now is it allows TV chasers to run stop lights (in the floor mod it doesn't allow them to run stop signs - but we all know they will), but it doesn't require others to yield to them, and we all know these TV chasers will think we have to (heck they already think we have to). The problem we have is that if we push this issue, we risk the requirement to yield to them being added back.
Fair enough, RJ. Different states have different rules and means that are considered acceptable to get things done. You certainly would know better than I in the case of Oklahoma, which I appreciate, and thus defer to your knowledge and expertise in this matter. But if this thing becomes law, Oklahoma residents shouldn't be too surprised later when some "unintended" consequences come about, such as higher insurance costs as discussed earlier.

As a case in point, Florida residents found this out the "hard" way, when as part of its legislatively-pushed "tort reform" a few years ago, a change in the FL insurance laws was made to lump both auto and property insurance policies together into the one and the same risk pool. So when property rates were increased after each hurricane, auto rates also skyrocketed everywhere in the state, despite any change in the policyholder's age or driving record or even whether they were living in an unaffected part of the state! An unintended consequence that has only made the situation worse for all FL residents, but that our legislature has no inclination to "fix."

I hope Florida's painful lessons are not repeated in Oklahoma with this bill. But, keep up the pressure on your legislators...
 
Next week is big in this battle. The OK House is not in session today (Wed 3/19) thru Friday 3/21. It will not resume until Monday 3/24. Per House rules (adopted 1/7/2025 in HR1003), a bill must have it's third reading by Thur 3/27. HB 2426 has had 2 readings. That means the third reading (typically when the bill gets debated, can be amended, and a vote would take place) would have to happen in the first 4 days of next week. Their are 104 items currently on the floor agenda. That is a lot to do in 4 days. The key at this point may be keeping it off the Daily Floor Activity Calendar (https://www.okhouse.gov/daily-floor-activities) which is controlled by the Majority Floor Leader. Which means the pressure likely needs to focus on these folks:
  • Floor Leader: Rep. Josh West, R-Grove
  • Deputy Floor Leader: Rep. John Pfeiffer, R-Mulhall
  • Deputy Floor Leader: Rep. Steve Bashore, R-Miami
On Tuesday 3/18 they only had 5 items on the floor activity calendar. If we can convince them that this bill is dangerous, wasn't reviewed by the right committee (it should have been sent to public safety), special interest, and not as important as other bills - then I think we stand a chance. They key is to get folks who live and vote in OK to do this. They key is not only letter, emails, and calls - but in person visits to their office.

I should note that I have not read up on the laws/rules regarding the OK legislature suspending their rules.

As a side note, the flow chart at Legislative Resources | OkACTE gives excellent insight into the flow of bills in OK. It points out that a bill in the OK House requires 51 votes for final passage; however, it requires 68 if it has the "emergency" clause. This means Rep Fetgatter didn't have the votes to pass it with the emergency clause. It would be interesting to know whose votes he didn't have, because they might be our best advocate now.
 
I just wish someone could get this one question in front of a committee (or the entire assembly) at one of the meetings:

Given television media chaser reports make up a very small percentage of overall tornado reports when compared to volunteer spotters and chasers, for what reason do TV chasers deserve elevated status over these groups?

So far, they've never addressed this point that is at the foundation of what they are trying to do.
 
Next week is big in this battle. The OK House is not in session today (Wed 3/19) thru Friday 3/21. It will not resume until Monday 3/24. Per House rules (adopted 1/7/2025 in HR1003), a bill must have it's third reading by Thur 3/27. HB 2426 has had 2 readings. That means the third reading (typically when the bill gets debated, can be amended, and a vote would take place) would have to happen in the first 4 days of next week. Their are 104 items currently on the floor agenda. That is a lot to do in 4 days. The key at this point may be keeping it off the Daily Floor Activity Calendar (https://www.okhouse.gov/daily-floor-activities) which is controlled by the Majority Floor Leader. Which means the pressure likely needs to focus on these folks:
  • Floor Leader: Rep. Josh West, R-Grove
  • Deputy Floor Leader: Rep. John Pfeiffer, R-Mulhall
  • Deputy Floor Leader: Rep. Steve Bashore, R-Miami
On Tuesday 3/18 they only had 5 items on the floor activity calendar. If we can convince them that this bill is dangerous, wasn't reviewed by the right committee (it should have been sent to public safety), special interest, and not as important as other bills - then I think we stand a chance. They key is to get folks who live and vote in OK to do this. They key is not only letter, emails, and calls - but in person visits to their office.

I should note that I have not read up on the laws/rules regarding the OK legislature suspending their rules.

As a side note, the flow chart at Legislative Resources | OkACTE gives excellent insight into the flow of bills in OK. It points out that a bill in the OK House requires 51 votes for final passage; however, it requires 68 if it has the "emergency" clause. This means Rep Fetgatter didn't have the votes to pass it with the emergency clause. It would be interesting to know whose votes he didn't have, because they might be our best advocate now.

Thanks SO MUCH to you and others on ST / in Oklahoma for keeping track of this. One of the lessons I've learned here is to keep different sources and movements compartmentalized. Every time I try to bring everyone together, there seems to be arguments over the direction of the fight, or some of the information is leaked to Fetgatter, maybe not on purpose, but brought up in conversations as leverage. Keep up the good work everyone!!!
 
I just wish someone could get this one question in front of a committee (or the entire assembly) at one of the meetings:

Given television media chaser reports make up a very small percentage of overall tornado reports when compared to volunteer spotters and chasers, for what reason do TV chasers deserve elevated status over these groups?

So far, they've never addressed this point that is at the foundation of what they are trying to do.

They won't address it because there is no one in the legislature speaking up. Where are the newspaper articles? Where are the press conferences and social media posts pointing out the dangers of this bill? I don't believe politicians want to get on the bad publicity side of Channel 9 and other news stations.
 
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They won't address it because there is no one in the legislature speaking up. Where are the newspaper articles? Where are the press conferences and social media posts pointing out the dangers of this bill? I don't believe politicians want to get on the bad publicity side of Channel 9 and other news stations.
This is a symptom of a larger "neurosis" that has taken over our present country, in general. When, in the past American way of life, has some relatively insignificant special-interest (e.g., KWTV) been allowed to take over the minds and actions of the supposed "representatives" in state government? These representatives were voted-in office to represent the public's interests, not the other way around: talk about "the tail wagging the dog!" If our press and electronic-media (e.g., KWTV) were still really free and objective, why would they be so worried about what local or state politicians are saying about them, or vice-versa, as long as it's the truth? Public opinion should be based upon factual truth, which is getting harder-and-harder to find these days, assuming one wants even to make the effort anymore, which most of us do not. All we people want is the truth and transparency from our press and politicians--good or bad. And, as has been mentioned (or, at least, implied) in earlier posts here, the "evils" of "under-the-table" money universally go a long way toward weakening the principles (did I use the right spelling, Mike, lol?) of those placed in positions of public trust. So, it's not just an Oklahoma problem...
 
I do have a brief update of sorts. I was talking to the Senator from my district about something else, and it came up that he has a couple of bills on "General Order". He seemed fairly certain those would come up for a vote this next week but could not be sure. They might not receive a Floor vote at all.

Takeaway: being listed under "General Order" does not guarantee a vote on the floor. I don't intend to assume anything at this point except that I need to keep checking. We ALL need to keep checking just in case another of us is busy and misses a posting. So far there is no "Daily Activities Calendar" posted for Monday, so we literally have no idea what's up with Monday. Yet.
 
I don't believe politicians want to get on the bad publicity side of Channel 9 and other news stations.

There was something earlier in this thread about the other station having a different financial and legal relationship with their chasers than Channel Nine has, and that this bill would give Channel Nine an advantage over them. If so, why aren't the other stations speaking out against the bill? Where's Nine's sister station, Tulsa's KOTV on this?

Giving Ryan Hall and other mediaologists the benefit of the doubt (meaning my tranquilizer's kicked in), it's possible they felt the bill would go away, and that they wouldn't need to speak against it. Well, it's still around. Does anyone here have pull with them to convince them it's now or never.
 
We have the LSR data, now I was thinking it would also be relatively simple to compile a few examples of major Oklahoma tornadoes that weren't being covered by TV chasers yet were reported by non-TV and/or out-of-state chasers.

For example: I reported the Barnsdall tornado on May 6 last year to NWS Tulsa as soon as I got my drone up and had a visual (just minutes after the tornado developed):


The way this day evolved, I don't think it was possible that any TV chasers were on this (all were likely north/west of OKC), I could be wrong. Certainly no OKC TV stations.
 
We have the LSR data, now I was thinking it would also be relatively simple to compile a few examples of major Oklahoma tornadoes that weren't being covered by TV chasers yet were reported by non-TV and/or out-of-state chasers.

For example: I reported the Barnsdall tornado on May 6 last year to NWS Tulsa as soon as I got my drone up and had a visual (just minutes after the tornado developed):


The way this day evolved, I don't think it was possible that any TV chasers were on this (all were likely north/west of OKC), I could be wrong. Certainly no OKC TV stations.
I really think a 2nd point needs to go with the "big media isn't that effective" and that is how most chase accidents already come from people in big media and academics believing that footage or data is reason to make horrible choices. Now we want a bill that pours gas in that fire and gives them more power to misbehave?
 
I would like to document my disappointment with Ryan Hall for the historical record. As a prominent figure in the storm-chasing community, he has significant influence to raise awareness about this issue. While he frequently shares his thoughts on the NOAA firings, which is acceptable, he has only mentioned HB2426 a few times. He could easily dedicate a special edition of his show to spotlight this important matter. If I were one of his chasers, I would be extremely frustrated for the lack of support. I am not trying to criticize him, as I have always supported his success. However, my attempts to reach out to him have gone unanswered.
 
Update:

HB2426 is not on the schedule for tomorrow: https://former.okhouse.gov/Documents/Daily Floor Activities.pdf

And nothing is posted on the calendar after tomorrow, Monday, March 24.

But I assume that is not correct until tomorrow and even then? Hard to say.

It's totally paranoid to presume House Leadership would monkey with the calendar over something as vacuous as Fetgatter's bill, but you know what they say:

Crisis is the Cure for Complacence
 
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