NOAA's Storm Prediction Center facility among planned DOGE cuts

[mikegeukes]

NOAA's Storm Prediction Center facility among planned DOGE cuts​

NOAA's Storm Prediction Center facility among planned DOGE cuts

 

[Mike Smith]

The lease renewal at the NWS's center at the University of Maryland. The lease at OU, I'm sure, will be signed, too.

 

[Jamie H]

Have the leases been signed? I couldn't find anything online.

I did see this, which says 65 facilities in California, including some which are used by NOAA, are on the list too: Musk team targets nearly two dozen environmental offices for closure in California

 

[Mike Smith]

Have the leases been signed? I couldn't find anything online.

I have two highly reliable inside sources.

The media, for the most part, will not report this because it would make Trump/Musk look better. Peoples' opinion of Trump shouldn't matter: the media should be fair and accurate but it rarely is.

 

[Greg Campbell]

I have two highly reliable inside sources.

The media, for the most part, will not report this because it would make Trump/Musk look better. Peoples' opinion of Trump shouldn't matter: the media should be fair and accurate but it rarely is.

Those two are not auditing essential agencies, they are blindly chopping. AFAIK, they deserve all the criticism they can get!

 

[Mike Smith]

Those two are not auditing essential agencies, they are blindly chopping.

How will the Republic survive without NOAA's cartoonists and in-house video department?!

 

[Boris Konon]

NOAA's Storm Prediction Center facility among planned DOGE cuts​

NOAA's Storm Prediction Center facility among planned DOGE cuts

They seem to discard this as merely a 'claim.'

"Republican Rep. Tom Cole claims that he intervened and that the center in Norman will not lose its lease."

But never let such information get in the way of a dramatic headline or an agenda. Don't trust the vast majority of the MSM as far as you can throw them. It amazes me how so many just believe with zero critical thinking or skepticism what they read/hear in articles or the news.

"But the building is still listed, along with hundreds of others, as a target of DOGE's cuts."

Who says? What 'list?' When was this 'list' last updated? *Every* govt facility lease being examined/evaluated. For a good steward of $$ in any audit, why *wouldn't* this be done? People are often conflating examinations/evaluations with gloom and doom done deals.

 

[John Farley]

They seem to discard this as merely a 'claim.'

"Republican Rep. Tom Cole claims that he intervened and that the center in Norman will not lose its lease."

But never let such information get in the way of a dramatic headline or an agenda. Don't trust the vast majority of the MSM as far as you can throw them. It amazes me how so many just believe with zero critical thinking or skepticism what they read/hear in articles or the news.

"But the building is still listed, along with hundreds of others, as a target of DOGE's cuts."

Who says? What 'list?' When was this 'list' last updated? *Every* govt facility lease being examined/evaluated. For a good steward of $$ in any audit, why *wouldn't* this be done? People are often conflating examinations/evaluations with gloom and doom done deals.

It amazes me how many just believe with zero critical thinking or skepticism what they hear from politicians. I hope the center does not lose its lease, but I will believe that when I see it. So far I see nothing from any local media in OK to show that it will not lose its lease, and nothing on the DOGE website to confirm that, either. BTW, if the DOGE website is any indication of the competence of this so-called "department" we are in even bigger trouble than I thought.

 

[Boris Konon]

It amazes me how many just believe with zero critical thinking or skepticism what they hear from politicians. I hope the center does not lose its lease, but I will believe that when I see it. So far I see nothing from any local media in OK to show that it will not lose its lease, and nothing on the DOGE website to confirm that, either. BTW, if the DOGE website is any indication of the competence of this so-called "department" we are in even bigger trouble than I thought.

What I said about a lot of the MSM exaggerating, lying, and twisting thing is 100% true. I wasn't talking about politician charactertics. The fact that politicians have the same problem has nothing to do with what I said about the MSM. These are false dichotomy and red herring logical fallacies. The reply suggests one's political views and/or biases are getting the way, and this does nothing to promote a civil discussion.

Also, when you look at an agency such as SPC and the NWC, and things from a just a politician point-of-view, supporting no change to SPC and saying NWC lease will stay intact, there is no practical/strategic reason for the rep to lie here, as disrupting SPC/NWC would do signficant damage politically to this politician, esp. given OK is a solid red state. In the past, SPC has been targeted, and OK reps have stepped in to save it. So I did apply skepticism and critical thinking in this case, looking at factors outside of DOGE, using common sense and knowing how the system/game works.

 

[John Farley]

What I said about a lot of the MSM exaggerating, lying, and twisting thing is 100% true. I wasn't talking about politician charactertics. The fact that politicians have the same problem has nothing to do with what I said about the MSM. These are false dichotomy and red herring logical fallacies. The reply suggests one's political views and/or biases are getting the way, and this does nothing to promote a civil discussion.

It is not a false dichotomy. If the media and politicians are doing the same thing, it is the same behavior. Frankly, I see it more from the politicians than from media outlets like ABC News, which is what I assume you are referring to by "MSM." As to promoting a civil discussion, I dd not perceive your post that way, either. When you talk about "an agenda" or say things like don't trust the media as far as you can throw them, I do not see an attempt to promote civil discussion. I guess it is all in the eyes of the beholder.

Also, when you look at an agency such as SPC and the NWC, and things from a just a politician point-of-view, supporting no change to SPC and saying NWC lease will stay intact, there is no practical/strategic reason for the rep to lie here, as disrupting SPC/NWC would do signficant damage politically to this politician, esp. given OK is a solid red state. In the past, SPC has been targeted, and OK reps have stepped in to save it. So I did apply skepticism and critical thinking in this case, looking at factors outside of DOGE, using common sense and knowing how the system/game works.

Like I said, time will tell. Until then I will remain skeptical.

 

[Mike Smith]

Because someone else will post it: Breaking News: National Weather Service to Further Cut Weather Balloon Network

I was shocked on Twitter a few minutes ago at how many people (including at least two in the profession) are labeling this for what it is: malicious compliance.

 

[Jamie H]

Is there evidence it is malicious compliance? Or is that just an hypothesis?

 

[Mike Smith]

Is there evidence it is malicious compliance?

That's a fair question, Jaime. In no order:

• I have several sources all of whom indicate this is the case.
• I have specifically asked the question, "Have all of these offices lost people (not "positions") in the last 45 days?" I have been told by one of them, "no, most of them have the same number of people they had in January." If so, why could they launch balloons then and not now? If labor capacity is indeed an issue, why aren't they asking for automated launchers which they have successfully tested in Alaska, a tougher climate than most of the Lower 48?
• OAK is still launching normally even though they have half of their normal staff for reasons other than DOGE.
• I don't know how much time you have spent inside a WFO during severe weather events but they are "right staffed" during those and overstaffed when the weather is fair. Remember: every office has a MIC, SOO, WCM and hydrologist (at least one of the latter) who do not work shifts unless there is a manpower shortage. There's no reason at all they cannot launch 2 balloons/day when the wx is fair, if they have the same number of people or even if they lost 1-2. It only takes an hour. If major wx is in progress, they can skip that launch as they do now in extreme circumstances.
• Finally, look how they are handling this. They are dribbling out the announcements one region at a time so as to keep the level of manufactured outrage high.

I also believe the U.S. Senate is delaying taking up the nomination of Neil Jacobs (who is highly qualified) as NOAA Administrator because they know he will put an end to this nonsense.

I agree that the layoffs have been conducted in a sloppy manner and, just as in the private sector, losing a job in a layoff is a traumatic event for the person and his/her family. That is extremely unfortunate and I wish every one of them well.

Not once -- ever -- have I been in favor of privatizing the NWS. However, if this is the way the leadership of the NWS/NOAA are going to conduct themselves when the going gets tough, then maybe privatizing would be better for the nation. If a member of Congress asked me the question, I'm not ready to recommend that, yet, but it won't take much more of this nonsense.

 

[Jamie H]

Thanks for the reply Mike!