Is this site dead?

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It's winter. When March rolls around, the birds begin to sing and the flowers begin to bloom, two other marvelous, annual events will also unfold:

1) The great lightbar debate.
2) The great "We're going to gain an hour of daylight when we set the clocks forward" proclamation.

Then, young grasshopper, you will once again see life here.

If I could only wish it were so.

A count of the combined FCST and NOW posts reveals:

2011 - 1,413 total posts
2010 - 2,724 total posts

Now, no one could seriously argue that 2011 was a quiet year for tornadoes, so that fails to explain the drop off.

As for the quality of posts, well that's in the eye of the beholder. But, I just don't buy the argument that some folks are so agitated by the "noise" that it justifies completely cutting off a discussion forum for events in progress. In reality - if you're actually out on a chase, you're likely not reading the NOW thread anyway. But, in any given event, the vast majority of members probably aren't chasing but may be interested in discussing and following the unfolding event.

Also, what is very disturbing was to notice that all of the threads on historical tornadoes are now mixed in (sorted by posting date) with all the other Target Area threads. That historical section was a gem - a recount of personal experiences by hundreds of members relating to notable historical tornadoes. Heck, by itself that section deserved to at least be segregated, if nothing else for the sake of history. Hopefully, there are some database tools that can reconstruct that section. If not, then shame on the administrators for so hastily destroying it in their zeal to impose "restricitons."
 
I think the issues with closing the NOW thread did cause a lot of chasers to break away to other sites. Unfortunately, I have yet to find another site with the same attention the NOW threads once generated here. It's a shame, regardless.

W.
 
I think there are a number of valid points raised in this thread. The "deadness" of Stormtrack is multifactorial. Over the years, Stormtrack has lost a number of frquent posters. Some of those folks have migrated to other boards, others have vanished. Of course, people can change interests or are chasing less due to outside factors (economy, children and other family obs). I am not impressed with the frequency of posting on other forums by many of those folks who did leave and that leads me to what is likely the primary cause of the overall drop in posts: SOCIAL MEDIA.

As an active participant in Facebook and more recently Twitter, I find that I am running out of time to keep up with everything. For example, I could post a detailed forecast on Stormtrack and other weather boards but under time pressure, I find it is easier to just write a couple of quick things on Facebook or Twitter. I might also be exchanging forecast thoughts with a small group of friends copied on e-mail, Facebook or text messages. It's not that I am afraid of chase roaches, I just don't have the time especially during chase days. I have seen overall traffic drop off on many forums and e-mail lists that I have subscribed over the years (not just weather related.) I think this is unfortunate because Facebook is not a good subsitute. Unless I have met them, I generally do not accept friend requests from random storm chasers on Facebook and I lose the potential for interaction.

I don't see a solution to this problem. Things change. About 10 years ago, I was mourning the loss of the hard copy StormTrack magazine. Hopefully, there will be an increase next year with ChaserCon and later the onset of the 2012 storm chase season. BTW, I also miss the NOW threads.

Bill Hark
 
It would be nice if forums such as Stormtrack could embrace the social media sites. Perhaps you'd post to Facebook with the post tagged a certain way and then the forum would simply list and organize the Facebook threads. Now threads could be tagged tweets. This might also solve a lot of the privacy and leeching concerns, where your threads could be public or only visible to friends, thus eliminating the need for restrictive posting rules and moderation. Perhaps something like this already exists, but either way its probably going to require quite a bit of management and development time to bridge a site like Facebook and an existing vBulletin forum like Stormtrack. I think it needs to be addressed for the site to survive, however, or this forum may be phased out like other, older chaser communication lines such as mailing lists and printed media.
 
I think 75% of the reduction in activity is due to Facebook, Twitter, Blogs etc making it much easier for many enthusiasts and chasers to share their stuff and communicate with others, especially those who are trying to sell things. You can reach way more people on Facebook than you can on Stormtrack.

Also, it's not just Stormtrack. The ChasersForum that sprung up this year has had even less activity in the last few months.
 
But, I just don't buy the argument that some folks are so agitated by the "noise" that it justifies completely cutting off a discussion forum for events in progress.

You're kidding right? This is the number 1 reason 90% of the seasoned vets have left. That and being slapped on the wrist for violating the rules. There is nothing more a seasoned vet hates than being infracted by a moderator with 10 years less experience than them. That was really the downfall of the site, when the voted mods took over, not that I personally have anything against any of the mods, but that really is when the shart hit the fan.
 
I saw the changes begin when the NOWcasts changed. That was the biggest reason why I joined! Now everything feels so controlled.

Bring the freedoms of Nowcasting back! There is no other site I can find that you could post nowcasts!!
 
FCST and NOW are simply merged. If you have a nowcast, post it in the FCST thread.

From the Target Area rules:
6. Message types.
* FCST is for meteorological discussion of severe weather which is either forecast or is underway.

http://www.stormtrack.org/forum/showthread.php?27752-SPECIAL-RULES-Target-Area

Sometimes there was an awkward transition between the FCST and NOW threads, or both were going at the same time. I really don't think we lost anything here. Having one thread for both just makes things easier to use.
 
I enjoy the site but really have posted much in months. It's the off season and i agree that other social networks such as twitter and FB are partly to blame for the lack of posting on ST. I still enjoy this site alot. If you think this site is not up to par then go on tornadovideos.net and look at all the noise that trickles in because of a lack of moderation.
 
I think it's a combination of two things:

1) Alternative channels of communication are readily available, namely Facebook (peoples' walls and private groups). People are tired of dealing with high noise/content ratios, and interestingly enough loose moderation just exacerbates the issue. I don't think veteran chasers were most upset about heavy-handed moderation, they just didn't want to deal with 'the community' anymore. As more new people become interested in chasing, more loudmouth idiots become interested in chasing. At some point, I'm guessing some of these guys threw their hands in the air and said "why do I want to be a part of this circus?" I don't blame them.

2) Many chasers have run out of things to talk about. It's gotten to the point where there are diminishing returns on 'amateur' chasing and knowledge acquisition. Many 'amateurs' are now able to bag a dozen-plus tornadoes in a year, and putting more effort into learning will not result in a large increase in the success rate. The bulk of chasers are happy with where they're at and don't have anything new to inquire about or share, so it's just the newbies and the helpful vets left.

Bring the freedoms of Nowcasting back! There is no other site I can find that you could post nowcasts!!

Please don't. Allowing anyone and everyone to post "lol 3000 CAPE i think there will be good storms today!" or parroting the SPC is what caused people with unique insights to stop posting. People don't need a special forum to post thoughts like this - Facebook is perfect for that.
 
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Moderation is necessary to keep the site on track and noise to a minimum, but not all noise is worthy of an infraction. Infractions are offensive to the person receiving it and often discourages future interaction in threads. Sometimes simply removing the post in question and sending a PM to explain why would be sufficient IMHO.

Social media is much more convenient in todays rat-race because people can hit it on the go, or hit it quick and and go about their business. I'm not in to it much, but different strokes for different folks.

That being said...........

Bring on the storms! That will go a long way toward stirring up some action in here.
 
Since NOW-type posts are still allowed, just located in the FCST thread instead of a separate one, I don't see their removal as a valid reason for why this board is now a shell of its 2004-2007 self. In fact, the biggest difference I've noticed is the number of posts prior to an event -- especially in, say, the 2-3 day range. I can still remember the excitement building for the March 28, 2007, event, with lots of quality posts throughout the week leading up dissecting model runs and analogs and freely discussing target areas. So many of the posters I looked up to back in those days, many of them veterans, have all but vanished. Fast forward to 2011, and May 24 -- an arguably-bigger outbreak and chase day -- had an astounding 18 posts in its FCST thread. The March 28 thread had more than that by the night the first SWODY2 came out. So, clearly NOW threads are not the only ones to have taken a hit.

It may well be that certain restrictive site policies and overzealous moderation were part of what drove some of the better posters away initially. Now, with the rise of social media, it has been and will continue to be extremely tough to pull membership back in even if policies are changed for the better.
 
Moderation is necessary to keep the site on track and noise to a minimum, but not all noise is worthy of an infraction. Infractions are offensive to the person receiving it and often discourages future interaction in threads. Sometimes simply removing the post in question and sending a PM to explain why would be sufficient IMHO.

This is something that I really don't understand, and I don't mean that to sound disparaging or otherwise facetious. Granted, I do have a bias, since I am often required to be on the other side of the fence. An infraction is simply nothing more than a notice that a rule was violated, so it shouldn't be offensive.

The infractions are always worded cordially and professionally; there are no residual consequences unless a user did something so severe that s/he has to be banned outright on the first offense, which is quite rare. In most cases the infractions are worth a few points and expire within a week or two, and, so as long as there are no further accumulation of points, no one has any restricted posting rights or otherwise has anything to lose. Infractions are not fines, they do not require a court appearance, nor are there absolutely any real world consequences whatsoever. As I previously noted, they are not even an automatic ban unless the offense was quite severe, as the overall goal is just to cordially let someone know that a) there post wasn't congruous with the rules and b) that, in the future, the staff would appreciate cooperation in that regard to help the site run smoothly for the benefit of both the poster and the rest of the e-community.

Regarding veteran storm chasers being run off by overzealous moderation, that certainly was the case in a few circumstances where someone took something too personal, though speaking entirely in an anecdotal manner without going back and doing some sort of a qualitative analysis on each and every infraction, the long-time veteran members are historically not the ones who generally run afoul of rules in the Target Area or elsewhere, as newer members with a year or less of posting history have historically tended to have a far higher tendency to post in a manner inconsistent with the forum posting norms. There are exceptions, but that tends to be the pattern. To some extent that is to be expected, as learning something as simple as the culture and norms of a small online message board is a gradual process that will take some time to fully internalize, and the staff has always tried to work with everyone in a fair and reasonable manner to bring posting within compliance of the site rules so that everyone benefits from a higher signal-to-noise ratio.

With all of that having been said, there are just some cases where a rule violation is extremely blatant and the staff is as professional and courteous as possible, yet someone inevitably takes it very personally.
 
I think sites like this are dying. Posting a forecast takes effort and I admit, if a storm is going on in Wisconsin I don't care that much. I'm not going to sit there for an hour studying the soundings and weather in Wisconsin when I have no intention or interest in chasing it. Yes, I care about the weather. Yes, I'm fascinated by the storms, but like everyone else, it's YOUR storm and not my storm. I have to go to work, I have thngs to do, so it's a matter of priority. More than anything, Facebook has changed the whole world. I have my 100 friends who I care about and care about me and that's it. I share with them., but why should I care about the 10,000 people I don't know and don't know me. I'm not trying to be famous, I'm not trying to be great, I just like storms. I can forecast or post here and no one else cares. But my 100 friends on Facebook actually do care because I know them and they know me. It matters to them... Big deal, so what, I'm one of 800 people who sees a tornado in Oklahoma on a given day... There's 800 people here who saw it and there's nothing exciting about it other than the personal story. On my facebook site, there are people who actually love hearing the story or share in the beauty of the storm. What happened here on Storm Track is the people egos' took over. The whole veteran vs newbie thing exploded in the face of this forum. It was a conflict of how to chase and why to chase. Anfd it fracture the leadership of this board and most chase boards. The chaser community grew so large that no one cares any more if YOU see a torando. They saw it too. NO one cares what you forecast because THEY can forecast too now or just follow SPC. It's almost to the point when anyone can do it so why listen to you... They got it too. Really, the board will pick up in March and April, but it will never recover. No one wants to work much any more and make a real forecast, they just want to chase the storm and get the tornado... It speaks volumes about the way we approach life today, the whole issue of the Occupy Wall Street protest --- no one want to work hard to achieve anything in our society -- they just are happy to cut corners and get results. It's why boards like this die --- egos take over, people are experts today with no knowledge, and knowledge can be gained just by getting online. You don't have to think any more.... It's done for you.... And the discussion and serious interaction of boards like this are no longer needed.
 
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