• After witnessing the continued decrease of involvement in the SpotterNetwork staff in serving SN members with troubleshooting issues recently, I have unilaterally decided to terminate the relationship between SpotterNetwork's support and Stormtrack. I have witnessed multiple users unable to receive support weeks after initiating help threads on the forum. I find this lack of response from SpotterNetwork officials disappointing and a failure to hold up their end of the agreement that was made years ago, before I took over management of this site. In my opinion, having Stormtrack users sit and wait for so long to receive help on SpotterNetwork issues on the Stormtrack forums reflects poorly not only on SpotterNetwork, but on Stormtrack and (by association) me as well. Since the issue has not been satisfactorily addressed, I no longer wish for the Stormtrack forum to be associated with SpotterNetwork.

    I apologize to those who continue to have issues with the service and continue to see their issues left unaddressed. Please understand that the connection between ST and SN was put in place long before I had any say over it. But now that I am the "captain of this ship," it is within my right (nay, duty) to make adjustments as I see necessary. Ending this relationship is such an adjustment.

    For those who continue to need help, I recommend navigating a web browswer to SpotterNetwork's About page, and seeking the individuals listed on that page for all further inquiries about SpotterNetwork.

    From this moment forward, the SpotterNetwork sub-forum has been hidden/deleted and there will be no assurance that any SpotterNetwork issues brought up in any of Stormtrack's other sub-forums will be addressed. Do not rely on Stormtrack for help with SpotterNetwork issues.

    Sincerely, Jeff D.

Horizontal Vortices with Wedge Tornadoes

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Since watching a video posted in Reports in the Discussion thread for yesterday, and thinking back to other popular video showing this phenomenon, I am raised with a curious question:

How is it that a horizontal vortex can spin out of a large tornado. Ive been debating in my head this question and have debated some internal theories, however, I can't seem to get them to make sense. So, I am raising this question hoping some of our severe weather experts here can assist.
 
Since watching a video posted in Reports in the Discussion thread for yesterday, and thinking back to other popular video showing this phenomenon, I am raised with a curious question:

How is it that a horizontal vortex can spin out of a large tornado. Ive been debating in my head this question and have debated some internal theories, however, I can't seem to get them to make sense. So, I am raising this question hoping some of our severe weather experts here can assist.
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I don't know if I can provide a complete answer, but here are some of my thoughts on the subject. In the case of large and violent tornadoes, the inflow into the tornado (and the storm as a whole) is characterized by high values of helicity. Basically, helicity is a measure of the orientation of the vorticity vectors relative to the velocity vectors of the flow. High helicity is characterized by a small angle between the two, so that the vorticity lines are nearly lined up with the flow streamlines. This is why it is often referred to as a measure of "streamwise vorticity". In other words, you will have a tendency for rotation around an axis nearly parallel to the direction of the flow itself. It stands to reason that with the very strong acceleration of the flow as it approaches a strong tornado, the existing streamwise vorticity in the flow could be stretched to the point where you get a visible (due to the pressure dropping to the point of condensation), horizontally-oriented vortex aligned with the inflow into the tornado. That would be my best guess as to what is going on.
 
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