• After witnessing the continued decrease of involvement in the SpotterNetwork staff in serving SN members with troubleshooting issues recently, I have unilaterally decided to terminate the relationship between SpotterNetwork's support and Stormtrack. I have witnessed multiple users unable to receive support weeks after initiating help threads on the forum. I find this lack of response from SpotterNetwork officials disappointing and a failure to hold up their end of the agreement that was made years ago, before I took over management of this site. In my opinion, having Stormtrack users sit and wait for so long to receive help on SpotterNetwork issues on the Stormtrack forums reflects poorly not only on SpotterNetwork, but on Stormtrack and (by association) me as well. Since the issue has not been satisfactorily addressed, I no longer wish for the Stormtrack forum to be associated with SpotterNetwork.

    I apologize to those who continue to have issues with the service and continue to see their issues left unaddressed. Please understand that the connection between ST and SN was put in place long before I had any say over it. But now that I am the "captain of this ship," it is within my right (nay, duty) to make adjustments as I see necessary. Ending this relationship is such an adjustment.

    For those who continue to need help, I recommend navigating a web browswer to SpotterNetwork's About page, and seeking the individuals listed on that page for all further inquiries about SpotterNetwork.

    From this moment forward, the SpotterNetwork sub-forum has been hidden/deleted and there will be no assurance that any SpotterNetwork issues brought up in any of Stormtrack's other sub-forums will be addressed. Do not rely on Stormtrack for help with SpotterNetwork issues.

    Sincerely, Jeff D.

Electrical Activity in Storms

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Olympia, Washington
I am curious, and have heard multiple theories and possible explanations on storms electrical generation, but still find myself puzzled.

Does anyone know how storms can fire up, yet have an incredible lack of lightning associated with them?

Up here in SW WA, more often than not, when we get a decent storm rolling through, we get hail, winds, tornadoes, the works... but compared to everywhere else I have lived on this planet - the lightning activity falls way, waaayyyy below similar storms in CA, UT, the UK, Italy, you name it.

Does anyone have a familiarity with the climate here, and enough meteorology knowledge to provide a satisfactory reason why?

Thanks,

Still Stumped after all these years
 
Maybe it's caused by lack of ice crystals in the upper clouds. If freezing levels are high and or updrafts are rather short, then that may be reducing the electrical charge buildup between the opposing charges. Large amounts of ice crystals in the clouds are responsible for much of the static charge buildup.

Hurricanes have very little lightning associated with their CDOs due to weaker updrafts and very little hail production near the center. High freezing levels and weaker updrafts towards the center account for the lack of lightning.
 
Here are two climatological maps of lightning distribution:

ltgflash_density.jpg


350px-Global_lightning_strikes.png


My first guess is that because the area you live in on average barely reaches 65, per:

http://www.weatherbase.com/weather/weatherall.php3?s=29727&refer=&units=us

I think that one can determine lightning potential by temperature contrast in the vertical, i.e. instability. Olympia, WA doesn't strike me (pun totally intended) as a place where instability can build up too well, thus slower updrafts. That's compared to areas in the south and southeast where instability can build up. The further north and west you go, the harder it is to get that instability. My big guess is that it's caused by the existence of the westerlies in the mid-latitudes.

Also it lists that the thunderstorms that do roll through are on average 5 times a year.
 
Great post Keith! I am a newbie here, and fondly remember "heat lightning" in SC. There may never a drop of rain hit the ground, but you'd think heaven had hit electrical hell! LOL

Here in Central Florida we have storms, but nothing like SC heat lightning.
 
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