Chaser convergence- getting even worse.

It's always good to reopen this subject every year -- even though it's been discussed 2.5 billion times. Things do change annually, with more chasers, technology, laws, etc.

I did not chase the Tulia day but I was able to watch live feeds. Some of the worse offenders were individuals reporting for local news stations. Some were employees and some were stringers. The live reports included speeds at over 100 mph judging by the passing lane markers and drivers crossing the yellow lines multiple times. Some either picked the wrong target or started out too late.

There is NO solution for this besides the STOPCHASER (TM) spike strips now available at badchaser.com. (Joke). Seriously, the cat is out of the bag and this is not going away anytime soon. Every time this subject comes up, my mind goes back to the El Reno event and Highway 4. The odd fusion of panic and partying by locals who did not have a clue.

Fortunately, everyone in our small chase group has a similar mentality. This means picking secondary targets further to the south or west. We also focus on the later part of the season. We generally base out of western cities like AMA, LBB or Eastern Colorado so the sneak attacks can be covered. (Campo). A lot of chasers (locals, Klingons, news crews, etc), return east after each chase and they don't want to drive back to a western target unless it's a big day. I personally do not chase targets if conditions say "HP" even if it's a High Risk day. I'll opt for a lower risk on a western moving outflow boundary.
Maybe there needs to be some form of chasing license that we pay for? Go through storm spotter training online or in person. Repeat it annually, pay a first time fee of $500 and an annual renewal of $250?
Catch someone driving and chasing storms without this and the fine is $1,000+? Needs some teeth. Convergence has been bad for years and in many instances its downright dangerous, similar to the stories here I have my own. People pulling out in front, whipping U turns, not looking, blocking the opposing lane, just all kinds of crap.
 
Maybe there needs to be some form of chasing license that we pay for? Go through storm spotter training online or in person. Repeat it annually, pay a first time fee of $500 and an annual renewal of $250?
Catch someone driving and chasing storms without this and the fine is $1,000+? Needs some teeth. Convergence has been bad for years and in many instances its downright dangerous, similar to the stories here I have my own. People pulling out in front, whipping U turns, not looking, blocking the opposing lane, just all kinds of crap.

That would never work. No way to regulate it.
 
In 2013, we missed the Moore, OK tornado because we chose not to chase in OKC, and instead went down near Pauls Valley. We had lunch in Moore, and I had picked it as the most likely spot. But, we just didn't want to get into the middle of a chaser convergence.
I was near Pauls Valley too on that day ... the chaser convergence/bad driving/etc. was horrible there (probably the worst I have seen) ... I eventually bailed off the main road just to get away from what I saw as a dangerous situation traffic-wise.
 
I was chasing in the same location Daniel Shaw was shortly before he took that video. We were both on 207 watching the Tulia tornado, when Daniel Shaw noticed that the tornado was headed straight for us. We all made the decision to leave and move south. Daniel was able to find an opening immediately, and got out of there. But I had to sit there with a tornado headed straight for my chase partner and I for a few minutes before I found an opening to get back on the road. My chase partner was in a small Mazda Protege and had to wait for an even larger opening than the one I found (due to his slower acceleration rate). In this case, chaser convergence was very dangerous to all of us parked along 207 that day.

That said, Dan Robinson is right. This was a unique situation where you had a SPC Moderate outlook that brought out a lot of chasers. Combine that with only 2 chase options (Tulia, TX and western OK). Most chasers chose the Tulia tornado. They all came south down 207 through the canyon, or east on 146. Most came south on 207. So you have one lane in each direction, combined with wet grass ditches that only SUVs can safely drive in and out of, combined with well over 100 cars all on the same road, and well... it was a problem.

Now let's talk about those tripods in the road. I swear I'm going to get a grill guard, and the next one I see, I'm going to drive straight into it and keep on going. Put your tripods in the grass like everyone else!
 
VORTEX2 chasing days were the worst I ever saw but Tulia was close. Like others said the one road had a lot to do with it but the quick escalation of the cell caught a lot off guard and unprepared. This is less of a problem with good road networks (why I take off roads) giving other options to chase and with more cells to pick from. This was a very unique situation that I hope chasers learned from.
 
Maybe I'm just being cynical but I think a lot of it is the "look at me" mentality of some where they have to get "likes", thumbs ups, subscribers, a viral video, or something the news channels pick up. The same news channels, by the way, that say "send us your video but don't put yourself in danger", but in the next breath will tell you about a video they're showing where someone put themselves (or others) in danger.

Until the lure of monetary gain or 15 minutes of internet fame are removed, it's not going to do anything but keep getting worse.
 
I feel like a lot of the folks posting on this thread were not here in the 2008-2011 period. In particular, northwest Missouri on 7 June 2009 and central Oklahoma on 19 May 2010. Now that was epic chaser convergence! I have not seen anything quite that bad except for maybe on 16 May 2015 going east from Tipton, OK.

This is how storm chasing is now, folks. It's not going to change, so you need to adapt, as complaining will not do anything unless you start issuing citizens' tickets or reporting bad actors to law enforcement (and even then, we're talking about pulling a handful out of a crowd of hundreds).

I chased on 7 May, was on the Tulia storm (granted, I got there late), and did not encounter any excessive, or even truly bothersome, chaser traffic. I think a lot of some folks' concerns boils down to chasing strategy. I have discussed this with others over the past week and found that it is apparently very common for many people to literally "chase down" the storm (i.e., follow it from behind). I don't do that; instead I favor the "in the path of the storm" approach. I was as far into that storm as being southwest of Vigo Park on FM-2301 with the wall cloud basically due west of me, and crossed through Palo Duro to get there from my Norman, OK starting point. After 10-15 minutes fooling around on 2301 I worked north to FM-285, skirting along the edge of the FFD, and still only had a handful of others around me. Knowing the canyon and limited roads would be a severe issue, I booked it back out and went back north to Claude ahead of the storm, again, with only two other vehicles anywhere near me the entire time.

Don't lose situational awareness. You always need to plan ahead and have escape routes and future locations in the front of your mind.
 
I think it is obvious convergence is getting worse in quantity and quality- just like national parks are now packed to the scuppers with the wrong kind of people. It is the age of trends, gratification, attention seeking, and shallow behavior.

Convergence seems especially problematic in TX, OK, KS where there are plenty of large metro areas within a few hours drive, and not as many other distractions like the coast or mountains- nearly every chase I can remember being within an hour of a decent sized town, there are many hundreds of people out whenever SPC or popular people hype up the day- never fails. Even for garbage setups with terrible surface winds that you just know will struggle to have anything photogenic or interesting, if SPC puts up a moderate or our favorite celebrity chasers speak, the droves increase. So many of the people out chase dots on SN, or are out there for social time and deliberately converge. Many seem to have a chase team, brand, or noticeable vehicle which speaks volumes in some cases.

The prevalence of cheap and easy streaming and the social media, dopamine based reward loop most people seem to thrive on has made it all so much worse on average over the last few years. It seems pretty easy to predict which days will have mass convergence: SPC, metro nearby, media hype. Weekend? x5

While numbers of people who do this are on average increasing, the behavior is what really strikes me as worse in relatively short amount of time. People blocking roads, hanging out windows, extreme aggression to get a few car lengths ahead on muddy roads- all for nothing. People are competing out there, acting like they are unique and going to see something that the other 100 in the line aren't. Too many are not remembering these roads are fair use for everyone, including locals, slow grandmas, people with bad tires or heavy loads, etc. No one has a right to block, rush, intimidate, or otherwise behave towards others but many chaser have that self important attitude and are doing these things regularly. 99.9% of the footage and photos I see are trash- shaky low quality junk with no style or art or technical understanding of photography or videography. All too many people care about is getting close and getting attention. Stringing is a net money losing proposition these days except for the best of the best. All of the private research or instrumentation vehicles I have seen are completely fake, done without scientific rigor or any kind of safety- again more attention seeking. Nothing out there legitimizes this behavior but it is increasing. Bottom line is we are in the full age of instant gratification and imbecility, and that cross section is represented in chasing like everywhere else.

There certainly seems to be a lot of drama and dysfunction in the 'community; if it could be called that, and so I prefer to think of myself as a storm photographer and hang to the fringes, if not just for my chase success, but also for dignity. Petty and conceited? Probably, but it makes me feel better than to be part of those savages surfing the hook on some rain wrapped garbage in an aggressive line of cars 100 long.
 
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Arriving on the 6th around Larnard Ks to catch that storm, i didn't really see too many chasers out. The next day, I decided to chase north of the Tulia storm for several reasons. First, although i am a very experienced driver of 56 yrs old, I dont have experience chasing out west (still feeling it out). So I went to the map and I noticed the bad roads network near that canyon ne of Tulia and didnt want to mess with Amarillo Tx either. So my wife and i choose to stay north and chase the Spearman storm. I have to say it was very enjoyable to set up just off a side road and watch the cells come by. Although we didnt see that actual rainwrapped tornado, we did experience a great storm chase with little traffic. Another rotation tornado showed up over head in Farnsworth where we were. I will choose to do this type of chase rather than fight the crowds, core punch,etc. I found i get just as much adrenaline by picking a target and letting the storm move in rather than chase from behind etc with the cattle.
 
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I feel like a lot of the folks posting on this thread were not here in the 2008-2011 period. In particular, northwest Missouri on 7 June 2009 and central Oklahoma on 19 May 2010. Now that was epic chaser convergence! I have not seen anything quite that bad except for maybe on 16 May 2015 going east from Tipton, OK.

Jeff, I agree. I am sure May 7 was bad (I wasn’t there), but I think it’s easy to say “worst ever” just because it was most recent. Same reason people say “best structure I ever saw” just because it was yesterday, the memories are fresh and the excitement is still there; same reason current popular songs make the “top 100 rock songs of all time.”

Of the events you listed, I was only there for 7 June 2009; that was probably the worst I had seen to that point, and to be honest it’s hard to quantify if I have seen anything that bad since; probably not, or I would remember it, but then again these things are pretty subjective and how “bad” it is can be judged on a number of different criteria or combinations of criteria: number of cars, extent and type of roads, what the storm is doing, how people are behaving, your own position, etc. Sounds like May 7 was a perfect storm (pun intended) of factors. Fortunately, I think the HP storms that make chaser convergence the most dangerous are exactly the type of storms that are more conducive to farther-out structure shots.
 
If every chaser followed road laws and wouldn't act like complete idiots this would not be a problem, Using Mike's picture as an example which puts plenty of people in danger. Another thing that needs to stop is the pointless blinding light bars that Quincy mentioned.
 
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It's my belief the so-called trouble makers left this group a long time ago. Most departed because their excuses for bad behavior was either called out, or they did not want to answer for reckless behavior. Many supported and defended the very idiotic and misleading antics that contributed to the current lunacy. Many are now on Facebook where they can befriend those with similar opinions and post whatever they want while removing any critical responses. Unfortunately, many champions of responsible and honest chasing simply burned out. No one is completely free of chasing "sins," but supporting an overall careless attitude is wrong.

Although I don't personally know the majority of people on this list (mainly because I keep a low profile now days), it would appear that most chasers and contributors here are honest about their pursuits and chase in a responsible manner.

I suspect this coming Friday will be total insanity.
 
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