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Camcorders for chasing: 2019 edition

To resurrect this a little bit,

@Bill Hark, Mac users can still import via Firewire to Thunderbolt adapter pretty easily. iMovie and Final Cut Pro still maintain support for importing this way. A lot of the newer PC laptops will have a Thunderbolt port as well, although I'm not sure how well the FireWire to Thunderbolt setup works on the PC end, as I do not have a laptop new enough to have a Thunderbolt port (mine from 2013/14ish still has a half size ExpressCard slot). And with that said, I believe you have to pay for the Premiere Pro yearly subscription to be able to import from DV; I don't think that Premiere Elements (which I have on my machine) supports that anymore. Yet another reason why I want to find a used Mac for editing purposes, aside from the fact that I prefer FCP to start with. I'm not a fan of paying a yearly subscription for a program; I'd rather pay a larger amount once and be done with it.

With all that said, I have considered one of those older models that you alluded to in your first post. I'm not sure if or when I'll ever need to be able to shoot in 4k, and I'm also a bit leery of spending a grand on a camcorder only to find out, like you said, that something is just "off" about the shots that it takes. I am kind of curious about the HF G50 that came out this year, but I just can't make myself spend that kind of money for something that may or may not shoot well in low light. I'll stick with the HD that I've been shooting in for the time being.
 
Ethan Schisler said:
I have the AX100 and the AX53, the AX100 is my go-to camcorder for weather events. I just purchased an A7RIII and waiting on it to arrive, so curious to see how this stacks up against my AX100. I usually leave the 100 on manual focus though, the auto-focus is good, but I like to have control over my focus and not trust the auto-focus. My only advice is to get an external microphone, the on-board mic is decent, but I've noticed an external microphone makes a huge difference in audio quality. I don't use the AX53 that much, the image stabilization I've noticed is better on the AX53 than the 100, that is really my only observation on that.
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I know this is an old thread but figured I'd post an update. After having the A7RIII for a year, I picked up another recently as the footage it shoots was leagues above my AX53 and AX100, I even briefly had the AX700 and returned it as well after a couple days (sold both my AX53 and AX100). When using the A7RIII combined with G-Master glass (24-70mm F/2.8 or 24mm F/1.4), its almost unstoppable. Even the native audio without my shotgun mic is leagues above the results I got from my AX (700/100) series cameras. So 2021 will be the first year I no longer own a "dedicated video camera". I think the time for the dedicated video camera is slowly coming to an end, just like the DSLR is slowly phasing out in favor of full frame mirorrless devices, which are extremely tough to beat.
 
Ethan Schisler said:
I know this is an old thread but figured I'd post an update. After having the A7RIII for a year, I picked up another recently as the footage it shoots was leagues above my AX53 and AX100, I even briefly had the AX700 and returned it as well after a couple days (sold both my AX53 and AX100). When using the A7RIII combined with G-Master glass (24-70mm F/2.8 or 24mm F/1.4), its almost unstoppable. Even the native audio without my shotgun mic is leagues above the results I got from my AX (700/100) series cameras. So 2021 will be the first year I no longer own a "dedicated video camera". I think the time for the dedicated video camera is slowly coming to an end, just like the DSLR is slowly phasing out in favor of full frame mirorrless devices, which are extremely tough to beat.
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Ethan, thanks for your update. Sadly, the information on this "old thread" is still relevant since not much has changed in the world of camcorders in over a year. I still like the camcorder form factor as I'll set on up on a tripod, hit infinity focus, record and then shoot stills with a DSLR. I assume the issues with focusing past infinity is the same on the A7RIII as with any other camera. On my DSLR, I have to find a focusing point, then "lock." Sort of a pain on the fly. That would be even more difficult with a mounted dashcam. I use a Canon HV20 and can easily hit infinity when I want to focus while driving.
 
Bill Hark said:
Ethan, thanks for your update. Sadly, the information on this "old thread" is still relevant since not much has changed in the world of camcorders in over a year. I still like the camcorder form factor as I'll set on up on a tripod, hit infinity focus, record and then shoot stills with a DSLR. I assume the issues with focusing past infinity is the same on the A7RIII as with any other camera. On my DSLR, I have to find a focusing point, then "lock." Sort of a pain on the fly. That would be even more difficult with a mounted dashcam. I use a Canon HV20 and can easily hit infinity when I want to focus while driving.
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The nice thing about the A7R/A9/A7S cameras, you don't focus using your lens totally like with the DSLR cameras. You can switch to manual focus and then when you turn it, the touch screen zooms into a distant detail of your choosing and you can turn it to infinity until everything is in focus to your liking. Pretty cool. I find this especially useful when shooting at night when its dark and I can't see much without a flashlight. But yes the deal about mounting on the dash is still something I'm hashing out. I'm going to have to purchase a larger mount as the weight of my A7RIII + 24-70mm GM is significantly heavier than any of the AX series cameras I've had and I'm afraid of it falling down and jamming the lens up. I think as of right now, the A7SIII is the best stills+video camera on the market as far as mirorrless goes, but I opted for more resolution as I like my stills more and the A7RIII offers more than enough for me video-wise.
 
Happy to read any and all new experiences with video gear. Since starting this thread almost two years ago, I've gone through probably 3 or 4 short phases of being determined to buy some sort of replacement for my crappy camcorder, but always end up exasperated and back at square one. It is just laughable how quickly the market for high-end consumer/prosumer camcorders dried up, leaving only options with such a poor cost-performance ratio that I can't entertain them purely on principle. But all is well in the world, since the new $1200 iPhone improved the sharpness of ass-shaking TikToks by 3% over the previous model! I guess I'll continue mulling over some kind of mirrorless option for 2021, although I just can't see mechanical zoom or limited zoom range on a per-lens basis meshing with my chasing style, where I focus my attention on stills and usually let the video roll unattended.
 
Brett Roberts said:
Happy to read any and all new experiences with video gear. Since starting this thread almost two years ago, I've gone through probably 3 or 4 short phases of being determined to buy some sort of replacement for my crappy camcorder, but always end up exasperated and back at square one. It is just laughable how quickly the market for high-end consumer/prosumer camcorders dried up, leaving only options with such a poor cost-performance ratio that I can't entertain them purely on principle. But all is well in the world, since the new $1200 iPhone improved the sharpness of ass-shaking TikToks by 3% over the previous model! I guess I'll continue mulling over some kind of mirrorless option for 2021, although I just can't see mechanical zoom or limited zoom range on a per-lens basis meshing with my chasing style, where I focus my attention on stills and usually let the video roll unattended.
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I was never terribly big into video captures during chases due to the slower-evolving nature of the even exciting elements I like to capture. Unless you're within a mile or two of a tornado or are capturing a massive hail fall, there tends not to be a big reason to take video...stills often times give you better quality documentation. That said, I did more videoing during the early part of my chasing career and have largely abandoned it since about 2016 or so. However, I have found my D750 has impressive video capabilities, so in a pinch I can use that. Of course, it restricts me from shooting stills at the time. So...obvious solution...get a second camera!

Get another mid-range DSLR and a decent zoom lens and you can probably produce reasonable quality HD video without spending $4000+

Or use your cell phone. The damn things are getting so good...
 
I bit the bullet and got myself a Canon Vixia HFG60 over the summer. It's 4k-capable although so far I've just used it in 1080p mode due to digital storage and processing constrictions, which still produces worlds better video than the Vixia HFG10 (itself a high-end camcorder in its day, c. 2011) it replaced. Because of the paltry regional chase opportunities during this pandemic year, I haven't shot a storm with it yet, only trains.

 
One camera to avoid right now is the GoPro 9. They have a very serious issue with their touch screens. It's likley going to take a rebuild to fix the problem. I had one for testing and had to return it. (Details on the GoPro discussion site). I will likely go to GoPro's for hurricane chasing once the bug is fixed.

As these types of small cameras shrink and their processors are maxed out, heat and / or battery life is becoming a big issue. Even my DJI drone camera's processor went down while filming a dust storm this year due to heat.
 
I’m that guy who bought a GoPro 9 Warren. So far it hasn’t been put through the paces but there is no doubt they run hot and blast through batteries like crazy. They do make sharing to the web a snap which makes them hugely convenient but the heat issue has been there all along. Jeb Corliss seems to have good luck with GoPros but he’s flying through the air in a wing suit, which probably super cools his cameras in flight.
 
I have actually been really happy with the Canon Vixia Series. I had the R600 and really liked it. I just moved up to the R80. The optical zoom is really good and makes an awesome mounted dash cam.
 
The GoPro 8 is not much better. It has sound recording issues and the screen will randomly show lines across it which makes taking the shot hard to frame. I climbed a few 14ers with it on my helmet and there is no sound at all. Might use it more as a side camera or something now grrr
 
I've been running a GoPro Hero 7 white as my dash/ timelapse camera. Video and sound quality is fine, but it has some odd bugs in the user interface that make it cumbersome to get footage off of. Things like freezing and requiring a hard reset, which then means I have to reset all my settings including date and time. And it happens fairly often. I deal with it because when it works, it works well. Maybe next year I'll find room in the budget to upgrade. I've heard good things about the Sony ActionCams.
 
Decided to upgrade from my Sony HDR-CX440 camcorder after some very pitiful nighttime performance.

I was considering the Sony AX-100, AX-700, and AX-53, but decided to go a completely different route due to budget, and picked up a Panasonic HC-VX891K.

I guess we'll see how it works once it arrives.
 
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