Aerial Chasing?

Yes, you are correct. Bear in mind however that I included the clause "given constant groundspeed". Perhaps I should clarify the situation I am trying to describe. When flying relatively close to the ground, it is very easy to sense the increase in ground speed during and after sharply turning from a headwind to a tailwind, causing the pilot to feel he/she should reduce the power setting to maintain the same speed in relation to fixed objects, such as runways, and in this case, perhaps a hailshaft or other peril. If the power setting is indeed reduced to maintain relatively constant groundspeed, before you know it, you could look down at your airspeed indicator and be surprised by how much your airspeed has dropped. I have experienced this for myself, and it can be a bit alarming.

The overall point I am trying to make is that with frequently changing wind conditions near a thunderstorm, coupled with numerous possible distractions, this situation may be a bit more likely to occur than otherwise.

But you are correct. The plane itself see's no change in airspeed purely as a result of the turn alone. The pilot must contribute to this peril with an errant input.


As we were flying from headwind to tailwinds near the storms, everytime we turned into the inflow (making a headwind relative to the aircraft) I would reduce power slightly to maintain a constant indicated airspeed and TAS while noting a reduced groundspeed. Everytime we turned to fly with the wind, I would increase power just a bit, as the indicated and TAS would decrease by about 10-15kts and the groundspeed would increase by roughly the amount of wind aloft. Although the increase can be seen the closer to the ground you are, I spent most of my time monitoring instruments and less time looking out the window than I would have liked. Relative to the airfoil/aircraft, the wind changes do cause performance changes. An increase in headwind will yield a slower ground speed, increased TAS and increased indicated airspeed, and vice versa. When the change happens faster, say in a microburst, this is noted as windshear or LLWS and can be fatal if not prepared for the performance changes.

Any time that we turned the aircraft into the wind or away from the wind, although the indicated and TAS would fluctuate 10-15kts, the biggest and most noticeable factor that the aircraft was experience increases or decreases in wind related performance was our altitude. When we would turn to a tailwind, the aircraft (in order to maintain its trimmed airspeed) would start to descend as a result of the loss of headwind component. Anytime turning into a headwind, the aircraft wanted to climb.

The same was also noted when transitioning boundaries. On our way to KFSD we crossed the cold front into the warm sector. The cooler, descending air that was a tailwind for most our trip there was lifting the warm air up and over the cold. We transitioned with moderate turbulence, large ascending altitude deviations, and and huge increase of indicated and TAS. This was also similar near KOMA later that day as we transitioned several outflow boundaries near the tornado warned cell west of Omaha. During one of the outflow transitions, our headwind sheared to a tailwind, which resulted in a decreased TAS(true airspeed is the speed of the aircraft moving through the air and is directly responsible for aircraft performance). The decreased TAS was enough to allow the aircraft to start a 1200fpm descent. I increased power, pointed the nose down to increase my TAS and recovered. Point is, you dont fly an airplane based on groundspeed for anything other than descent rates, fuel burns, ETA's, etc. Aircraft performance is based on TAS, which is again, what the aircraft "feels".

If you reduce power to maintain a constant groundspeed it is very possible you could stall the aircraft, due to lack of TAS, and still have a 75kt groundspeed. On the other hand, and this we did to lengthen our time videoing storms, is to reduce power with an increased head wind and maintain a relatively slow, if not stationary position over the ground. At one point, near the La Crosse, KS supercell, we slowed the aircraft down to 10kts above its Vref landing speed (70-75kts w/ flaps at 10-20degrees) and were maintaining around 25kts across the ground.

Caleb Elliott
Commercial Pilot (SEL, MEL, IFR)
Flight Instructor (CFI, CFI-I, MEI-I)
Ground Instructor (Advnaced and Instrument)
 
Also, just to be clear, I am not talking about anything other than our recent experiences around the storms. I understand what is being said about headwind to tailwind and turns and how, in normal unchanging constant windspeeds and vectors, there is no change in aircraft performance. This is true. Furthermore, I am also not talking about your everyday light wind or gusty wind flying. I am talking about 1000ft agl with winds anywhere from 50-100kts. An aircraft flies along with the airmass it is in. The pilot corrects the aircrafts path within the airmass to achieve the desired flight path. Hence, the need for cross wind corrections and the like. There are changes in TAS, or what the aircraft "feels", however, in most cases the changes are so small they are unnoticed.

Also, the airmass we were flying in was the inflow jet or warm sector. The inflow jet had a steadily increasing wind speed the further north, towards the FFD/rain and hail shaft, and steadily slowed the further south we were, making this an unsteady and changing airmass with changing wind vectors. As we got closer to the beaver tail/inflow, the winds increased. As we made our turn towards the storm, our aircraft was indeed experiencing TAS perfromance decreases. Once the turn was made and the aircraft stabilized, all indications of headwind/tailwind turning were no longer present. They changes were brief, but noticeable.

had this been an steady and unchanging airmass, the "turn to downwind/tailwind" question would not be an issue. Again, I am only referencing the noted changes we experienced while flying in constant changing wind speed and vectors in the close proximity to a tornadic thunderstorm.
 
All I have to say is you guys are either crazier or braver than me. I have been flying since 1985, I hold all the ratings and work for an airline. I've personally flown THRU 2 thunderstorms, neither time was on purpose and I'll do whatever it takes to not do it again. The first time we were trying to go between 2 supercells, we were at 39,000 and the tops of the cells were around 60. As we split the cells another one grew up in front and we were to high and too fast to turn. Lots of fun. I just got into PIT and its late, hadn't seen this thread as I"m not on here all that much. We came out of DEN and had to go south tonight to get around the cold front line. I'll post more on this in a few days but for now I'll post a pic of the supercell near Hutchinson, Ks. Be safe. BryanIMAG0100.jpgIMAG0103.jpgIMAG0104.jpg
 
BTW, we were at 39,000. Flight watch reported that the tops of this cell were around 60, There was another cell north.....east of this one that was taller but couldn't get a good shot of it, we could only see the top above and behind this one.
 
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BTW, we were at 39,000. Flight watch reported that the tops of this cell were around 60, There was another cell north.....east of this one that was taller but couldn't get a good shot of it, we could only see the top above and behind this one.

That is one view that I miss so bad from working at the airlines. What do you fly? When I was at XJT, we were company limited to FL370. Great photos, BTW.
 
All I have to say is you guys are either crazier or braver than me. I have been flying since 1985, I hold all the ratings and work for an airline. I've personally flown THRU 2 thunderstorms, neither time was on purpose and I'll do whatever it takes to not do it again. The first time we were trying to go between 2 supercells, we were at 39,000 and the tops of the cells were around 60. As we split the cells another one grew up in front and we were to high and too fast to turn. Lots of fun. I just got into PIT and its late, hadn't seen this thread as I"m not on here all that much. We came out of DEN and had to go south tonight to get around the cold front line. I'll post more on this in a few days but for now I'll post a pic of the supercell near Hutchinson, Ks. Be safe. BryanView attachment 7120View attachment 7121View attachment 7122

What did you experience when you flew into those two thunderstorms unintentionally?
 
All I have to say is you guys are either crazier or braver than me. I have been flying since 1985, I hold all the ratings and work for an airline. I've personally flown THRU 2 thunderstorms, neither time was on purpose and I'll do whatever it takes to not do it again.

It's not as crazy sounding when you realize that is exactly what we are doing as well. Flying through the storms was never an option for us, so we went to great efforts to make sure we wouldn't be put into that situation. If you understand and stay a few steps ahead of the weather you can effectively chase in clear air while maintaining a view of your storm and escape routes if you need to take them. Discrete dryline storms provided ample room to maneuver around in clear air without fear of us hitting surprise updrafts around our primary target.
 
Not to change topics too much but I was curious about another factor (or non-factor?) when flying near supercells which is lightning. I have seen video of commercial airliners getting struck without incident. How would a small plane handle a direct strike?
 
To me, lightning would not be nearly as worrisome as turbulence, its close cousin low level wind shear, and hail. Ya, you don't have as much backup equipment in a small plane, but you do have far more landing options... even if lightning were to fry stuff (unlikely). Especially if you are in a clear air, where you can get away with a lot of instrument failures without a problem.
 
Lightning really is a minimal threat to the aircraft. The wiring, fuel system, and avionics are specifically designed so that they can take a strike without there being some sort of catastrophe like a fire or critical system loss. The charge itself is conducted around the aircraft's metal body just as it is with your car. Even if the entire electrical system is taken out, the aircraft will still fly, controls will still operate (as they are mechanical), the engine will still work, and the non electrical gauges will also work.
 
Sorry for the delay... I work for Skywest. I've been doing the Aspen flying for the last few years. At Skywest we fly the Emb 120, Crj 200, 700 and 900. The Aspen flying is all CR7 so thats what I fly unless I pick up a trip on a different jet. The CR7 is certified to 41,000 but the company only allows us to 39. As to what I experienced flying thru TS's The first one I just flew thru the top of one at 39,000 we were about 1000 feet from the top, just a little guy. Moderate turbulence, nothing to bad, I've had worse in clear air. The 2nd one was the event I describe earlier. Storm grew in front of us while we were trying to sneak between two cells. We were at 39 and by the time we entered the cell it was at least at 55. We tried to pick the weakest part but it didn't matter. Extremely severe turb. We got rain/mud on the windscreen, I had never seen mud on the windscreen before, ever. Never did find out if there was a tornado on the ground under us.... the goal there was to just keep the ac upright. I can see how a person could chase in and small plane, gets a little bumpy flying in the wake of a supercell usually but as long as a person always had and out I can see how it would work. Be safe. Bryan
 
I finally got a chance to edit all of my footage from the aerial chase trip, but am still working on the write-ups. May 25 featured the most photogenic storms and best structure of our trip even though we had to abandon the storms to get fuel before they produced a series of tornadoes. You can see several large outflow dust plumes in the video. Some of them extend all the way to the cloud base. I've seen other aerial storm chase videos where the pilots are underneath the supercell base. The air seemed smooth enough in those videos, but I imagine you'd run into all kinds of trouble if you attempted that on this May 25, Russel, KS storm with all of that outflow and blinding dust.

May 25 over central KS, trimmed to the best parts and set to music as the engine droning was a bit boring:
Watch video >

May 22 over northern North Dakota:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6jBfK-ZsU0

May 23 over Omaha, Nebraska:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehnUSCpL-R0
 
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