2011-04-27 MISC: AL,TN,MS,KY,OH,IN,WV,GA

[Ben Toms]

As others have already said, my thoughts go out to everybody affected by this historic outbreak.

Moving on to a more observant standpoint, I do agree that the storms that swept through in the morning had a significant impact in the death toll of the afternoon storms. Yes, many of these tornadoes were violent and there probably would have been casualties either way, but the first round of high winds/tornadoes undoubtedly complicated the situation. When I was listening to 33/40 during the early afternoon they were reporting that noaa weather radios were down at the time- I don't know if this has been confirmed or not but if it is in fact true then that would be a big factor. Other than that, it is very rare for such a significant mcs to plow through in the morning with time for such extreme destablization/general tornadic ingredients to reassert themselves across the exact same area.

 

[weskranz]

Not sure if this is already on here, but this is some footage from TVN and Reed Timmer. Thoughts and prayers to all affected.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhKjv9GuARQ&feature=player_embedded

 

[rdale]

Unfortunately it was decently accurate.

I've still not seen any confirmation that hundreds of dead were reported in just that location... What have you seen?

 

[Zack Hargrove]

I've still not seen any confirmation that hundreds of dead were reported in just that location... What have you seen?

I actually believe the mayor came out and said that report WAS false. The report was supposed to read hundreds injured. While we are approaching 200+ dead for the whole day, that report was for "hundreds" just in Tuscaloosa. The report was not confirmed at all.

 

[brice.coffer]

Wow: "It was the first EF-5 ever recorded in Tuscaloosa, with winds maxing out at 287 mph, and the first in Alabama since 1998."

http://cw.ua.edu/2011/04/27/tornado-devastates-tuscaloosa/

I've read a few reports, like this one, from local media calling it an EF5 tornado. Where did they get this surface data?

Also, am I the only one who hasn't seen any pictures of F5 damage yet? Though I know the media hasn't been let into the hardest hit areas.

 

[Will Tinder]

I've read a few reports, like this one, from local media calling it an EF5 tornado. Where did they get this surface data?

Also, am I the only one who hasn't seen any pictures of F5 damage yet? Though I know the media hasn't been let in to the hardest hit areas yet.

FOX 6 had some video up earlier from a cellphone camera smuggled beyond the police lines that looked like possible EF5. There were no houses or parts of houses standing in the neighborhood (Concord area, if I remember correctly). No idea how well-built the homes were, however. Surveys will tell for sure, until then its all guesswork.

EDIT: On another, equally sobering note, I'm wondering if we could be looking at the first single tornado to cause 50 fatalities in decades. When was the last time that happened? 1960s?

 

[Gabriel Cox]

I've read a few reports, like this one, from local media calling it an EF5 tornado. Where did they get this surface data?

Also, am I the only one who hasn't seen any pictures of F5 damage yet? Though I know the media hasn't been let in to the hardest hit areas.

I saw aerial footage of Pleasant Grove neighborhoods (just north of Birmingham) a few minutes ago with multiple bare concrete slabs. Since I dont know the structural integrity of the homes that were destroyed I wont say EF-5, but its at least a strong EF-4.

 

[Andrew Stoller]

I was kind of shocked at the number of "tornado emergency" type tornado warnings issued yesterday. I know there's some controversy in using the term tornado emergency, but the NWS has obviously adopted the term as official policy. I think it helped save lives because local broadcast media and even TWC used the term and underscored the fact it meant a large violent tornado was in progress and doing damage.

 

[Jim Saueressig]

http://vimeo.com/22970879

 

[jeremy wilson]

Also, am I the only one who hasn't seen any pictures of F5 damage yet? Though I know the media hasn't been let into the hardest hit areas.

I think I've seen EF5 damage. Just saw what was supposedly a new, well built brick house that was wiped clean. I'm no expert but I bet theres several EF5's from this outbreak.

 

[brice.coffer]

I think I've seen EF5 damage. Just saw what was supposedly a new, well built brick house that was wiped clean. I'm no expert but I bet theres several EF5's from this outbreak.

The Concord to Pleasant Grove area WSW of Birmingham seem to be the hardest hit areas.

I'm not saying there wasn't an EF5, but as of right now nobody knows. I was more commenting on the sensationalist reporting by the media. I actually just heard a Weather Channel broadcaster say that yesterday has overtaken the '74 super outbreak as the new standard of tornado outbreaks. April 3rd, 1974 had 6 F5s and 23 F4s. The only real comparison can be that the death tolls might be similar.

 

[Robert Dewey]

Yeah, I too am having a hard time wrapping my head around this event producing 23 distinct F4s (well, EF4s in this case). That's a lot. Several EF5s? Definitely. Several EF4s? Definitely. In order to even come close to verifying the sheer numbers of 4-3-74, 90% of the SPC tornado reports would have to verify as distinct / separate tornadoes.

 

[Andrew Burnett]

From a data standpoint, this is will be the new benchmark for outbreaks. I am certain that's what the weather channel means. The data from '74 is very limited.

 

[Trey Thee]

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/2...jeeps-moving-earth-neighborhoods-gone/?hpt=T1

I haven't had a chance to watch these, but I will when I get home tonight. Buddy of mine just sent me this link from CNN with multiple vids.

I would like to know where the 287mph wind speed came from. Some of the damage definitely looks like EF4 and EF5 damage. But 287 mph is incredible. The big one on May 3 1999 was similar and higher in spots and the grass was ripped from the ground, trees completely bare of limbs/leaves and bark. I've not seen anything quite that impressive yet, which makes me question the 287mph wind speed. But I've definitely seen pics that justify the EF5 rating.
Anyone have any thoughts on this?

 

[Trey Thee]

From a data standpoint, this is will be the new benchmark for outbreaks. I am certain that's what the weather channel means. The data from '74 is very limited.

From a data standpoint I agree, this will likely be the "best" outbreak in history. Data collection, analysis and benchmarking has come a long way since 1999, muchless 1974. Good news is the data may greatly aid in advanced warning techniques and future storm prediction.