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[Drew.Gardonia]

I just found it odd he would call out someone else (who probably has been doing it a lot longer than he has) about different features when he can't even properly identify one. Now I am not bashing him (Andrew) or anything like that but more of a "make sure you know what you are talking about before throwing a huge stone" Call it a little rookie hazing, I just want you to be able to confidently report what you see. If you need to post on ST and ask what you saw, after making a thread blasting someone for what they think THEY saw...... you can see where I am going with this.

As Skip said, I don't see anything tornadic. I see a lot of low "scary looking" clouds along the edge of a probable gust front/outflow dominant storm. I am sure there was a lot of turbulence going on with the leading edge of this thing and a lot of rising scud. The blowing dust you saw was probably just outflow. Believe me when you see a funnel or a tornado.... you KNOW it lol.

yeah i see what you're saying Danny. But what I was looking at (pic I posted) was way off to the right (3/4 of a mile) of where that debris/dust was being kicked up in that field.

 

[Danny Neal]

yeah i see what you're saying Danny. But what I was looking at (pic I posted) was way off to the right (3/4 of a mile) of where that debris/dust was being kicked up in that field.

Indeed. What you are likely looking at.... to the right of the picture you posted is the precip core. Just to the left of that is the underbelly of the shelf. When that passed overhead I bet you could see a classic whales mouth. Further to the left you have your leading edge of the shelf with a lot of turbulent motion (I.e roll cloud, rising scud, cascading motions etc) The dust you see on the far left was the outflow winds pushing out from underneath the shelf and kicking up at least a plume of dust, if not a few brief gustnadoes.

The bigger picture you posted shows what I would interpret to be directly under the shelf. As I said you have the roll cloud, turbulent motion, a whales mouth, and then the precip.

That is my best guess at what you have shown.

 

[Drew.Gardonia]

only reason I said "we saw a funnel developing" was because in these pics it looked like one was going to form and set down but did nothing.

you can see a slightly lowering (then all the dust/debris started in that field)

 

[Maggie Kahman]

only reason I said "we saw a funnel developing" was because in these pics it looked like one was going to form and set down but did nothing.

you can see a slightly lowering (then all the dust/debris started in that field)

I dont think thats a developing funnel cloud. Im a newbie, but that doesnt look like a funnel to me. I can tell you this though: Its DEFENITLY (sp?) not a tornado. For it to be a tornado, all that dust and stuff would have to be underneath that "funnel cloud" (which im assuming you already know that).

 

[Justin Wiley]

When 'horizontal tornado' was mentioned, the first video that popped into my head was this Robert Prentice classic clip of the April 26, 1991 Red Rock tornado.

The 'horizontal whatever it was' is visible at about 2:25 on the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zUJJH_MSZI

 

[Eric Flescher]

horizontal streaming

thanks. Maybe close to what I saw. The"streaming" was going down the tube at very fast rate. It was unlike anything I have ever seen chasing or not. POssibly that was very quick inflow to a wallcloud? maybe it was very close of my view and was a stream beaver tail?
jury still out
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These are some of the more intriguing horizontal features I have come upon and your story reminded me of them:

Classic roll cloud over Kearney last year.

Squid like tentacles streaming into the roll cloud.

If there is a horizontal funnel, this is it, jutting out of the left side of that wedge. Its probably an elevated and intense inflow jet into the tornadic circulation. I saw a similar and more well defined feature in a May 3, '99 video.

 

[Chad Ringley]

I dont think thats a developing funnel cloud. Im a newbie, but that doesnt look like a funnel to me. I can tell you this though: Its DEFENITLY (sp?) not a tornado. For it to be a tornado, all that dust and stuff would have to be underneath that "funnel cloud" (which im assuming you already know that).

Judging by the surrounding appearance of the storm in the pictures, all of it appears very outflow dominant and the feature in question/"dust kick up" is all coming from outflow-related features (turbulent motion on gust front, gustnadoes possibly, etc.)

 

[Skip Talbot]

thanks. Maybe close to what I saw. The"streaming" was going down the tube at very fast rate. It was unlike anything I have ever seen chasing or not. POssibly that was very quick inflow to a wallcloud? maybe it was very close of my view and was a stream beaver tail?
jury still out
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Something like this?

June 7 last year in Iowa. Looking ESE as a wall cloud passes just off to my right. The tail cloud feeding into it went right overhead.

 

[Eric Flescher]

tail cloud?

Well it wasn't a tail cloud like this unless the "streaming " was rushing head long at breakneck speed either right to left or left to right.
This thing I saw, the streaming was coming out of the north and heading south in a big tube like fashion with the streaming (I believe) heading out over I-435 in Overland Park, KS.
The "tube" was white - grey and was not dark at all
I really want to get more ideas on what this might have been because it was one of the most incredible things I have ever seen beside 7 total eclipses, being in Mt. St. Helens, seeing tornadoes and structures and more.
Any more help appreciated
PS I saw nothing in the newspaper about it but how could chasers in the area or people miss it.
Thanks


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Something like this?

June 7 last year in Iowa. Looking ESE as a wall cloud passes just off to my right. The tail cloud feeding into it went right overhead.

 

[fplowman]

This to me is definitely RFD. I believe Im also seeing the notch where the "exhaust" if you will is coming from.

Eric, i think what your referring to on that storm on 435 last year was a Meso. It definitely had a slight rotating Meso. Im unsure how many of those you have seen but that's what I was seeing. Is it possible thats what you were refering to?

only reason I said "we saw a funnel developing" was because in these pics it looked like one was going to form and set down but did nothing.

you can see a slightly lowering (then all the dust/debris started in that field)

 

[Eric Flescher]

no my observation was many years ago

I probably saw that and have it on video but not it was not that.

The observations I mentioned were years ago but I remember it like it was yesterday it was so vivid. Structyure was above Mission Road above the Old KU regents Center (now located on Quivira in Overland Park, KS).
My observations of this "jet steaming in the sky was either in the late 80's or early 90's. So quite awhile ago.
Will never forget that streaming. It was going so fast southward at an incredible rate.


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This to me is definitely RFD. I believe Im also seeing the notch where the "exhaust" if you will is coming from.

Eric, i think what your referring to on that storm on 435 last year was a Meso. It definitely had a slight rotating Meso. Im unsure how many of those you have seen but that's what I was seeing. Is it possible thats what you were refering to?

 

[Jeremy Lemanski]

in the attached file, you can see something very similar to what i think andrew was seeing.

Remembering back 4 years, Wall cloud, very weak rotating, to the left "north" with a inflow cloud streaming in from the south which was very turbulent and ragged When combined with the fast movement into the wall cloud, it made the feature look like it was rotating, when really it was just a combo of many other forces.

 

[Steve Worthington]

I quote this because I am confused..... You made a huge thing about this "spotter" on crack for seeing funnels that weren't there and reporting them and if I am reading this correctly you DID say there were none whatsoever..... but now you create a thread saying you DID see one...... Seems pretty hypocritical

The cell he`s talking about was the south one we chased later in the day along the Okla line.
The Huge Thing" you refer about was the north cell around Goddard Ks that DID NOT have any what so even
hope this helps you understand better to what he`s asking about

 

[Drew.Gardonia]

the picture I posted with the thing in question could have been a very small roll cloud, because it was very small in comparison to the storm, and was off to the north (correct me if I'm wrong on this Steve, as my sense of direction where we were, was kinda fubarred) and by itself.

Steve: this part was right across the street from where we saw that debris and dust/dirt kick up in the field...it was directly over us.

edit: reason I don't believe the thing spinning horizontally above was a funnel is because there was no associated wall cloud, however this doesn't mean anything, because funnels can form without a wall cloud present.

 

[Steve Worthington]

Andrew
I`m gonna take a stab at it and I`m sure if I`m wrong someone will correct me...lol

I`m gonna say being how we were running the front edge of this cell I`m gonna have to go with Roll Cloud`s because we were right in the front edge of the cold front. If you remember, we would stop and the front would catch up with us then we would move again.

I dont know if you saw my report on TVN from yesterday but, We got to go play again last night